This thread is now where I don´t want it to be. It is not any longer helpful, nor informative. Christie, I hope you have received some info which can be of use to you to get your issue solved.
This thread will now be locked.
What makes you think I'm "city type"? I come from a rural area in Michigan...so I'm used to trains, the smell of animal poop in fields, loud neighbors an their cara, barking dogs, and a small town. NONE of which are an issue with me. Again, it is the mere noise pollution at night, bu the trains, in my area. Period. Unless you have lived on my street, tried to sleep, tried to get your kids to stay asleep with this train noise, I should not have to take a brow beating on here or my concerns! I came here for help. There is no need for you to respond since you clearly have an issue.
I have personally spent time in Rootstown and most of NE Ohio. Get used to the area or move! City types that come to the country had best accept the country for what it is - because it is what it is.
I write up too many train vs. vehicle collisions to have any sympathy. Fortunately, I am no longer a line of road field official and don't have to investigate these incidents any longer.
Sir Madog BaltACD: Now that the weather is warming - I wonder how long it will be that in addition to the sounds of trains, the perfume of livestock in the rural area of Rootstown will become a problem? BaltACD - the OP has a genuine problem, which she would like to discuss here. No need to be sarcastic or abusive. A train buff forum may not be the right place for this discussion, but as long as it stays civil and helpful, I´ll let go and won´t lock this thread.
BaltACD: Now that the weather is warming - I wonder how long it will be that in addition to the sounds of trains, the perfume of livestock in the rural area of Rootstown will become a problem?
Now that the weather is warming - I wonder how long it will be that in addition to the sounds of trains, the perfume of livestock in the rural area of Rootstown will become a problem?
BaltACD - the OP has a genuine problem, which she would like to discuss here. No need to be sarcastic or abusive.
A train buff forum may not be the right place for this discussion, but as long as it stays civil and helpful, I´ll let go and won´t lock this thread.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
BaltACD Now that the weather is warming - I wonder how long it will be that in addition to the sounds of trains, the perfume of livestock in the rural area of Rootstown will become a problem?
Hmm sensed a little sarcasm there perhaps? I don't think I have that to worry about in my area, although I'm sure in most areas that's an issue. My issue is the train noise pollution....period.
Not trying to stir the pot here, I was just looking for help or to find any others that live in my area and have the same concerns I do.
Christie,
when we moved into our place, I thought I will go crazy. At night, it felt like the trains going straight through our bedroom .German trains are a lot less noisy, no horns, no bells, no grumbling sound of hard working Diesels. The line is all electric, so there is just a hum. The noisiest are our high speed trains, although there is a speed limit imposed. They still do 130 mph...
Oh geez! I think I would lose my mind if I had to hear that many trains per day.
Being new to the street, I haven't met a alot of people yet, but the ones I have met, I always ask them if the train noise bothers them. Most have said yes it drives them crazy, and some that have been here for 12-13 years say they are used to it and it doesn't bother them unless they are awake. There were 4 houses for sale at one time (since Aug. 2011)
on our dead end street - ours being one of them. It was for sale for 8 months and I often wonder if this was a factor. One just sold (lady said the trains are unreal and drive her crazy too), and the other 2 been on the market for a while and just keep reducing their price. Trust me lesson learned the hard way on this deal.
I was going to contact Ravenna officials about this to see what my next step would be or if I'm fighting a losing battle. I can't imagine I'm the only one near the tracks that has complained.
Soundproofing the windows is an idea, but upstairs alone we have 8 windows and that could be costly I'm assuming? Still doesn't solve the issue of having to run the air all spring/summer long because we can't open our windows at night. The day time trains I can tolerate, it's the traffic at night that I have an issue with. That seems to be the time their routes begin because it just seems to quadruple in noise and traffic.
I did find a website for Portage county that lists all the crossings, and the train traffic data within last few years, and if I'm reading it right, there are 30 per day and 30 per night? From what I noticed it picks up at night...alot! Also, the sites states if there are gates, alarms, etc.
I have my work cut out for me, but I've found with help of responses to my post, a good start.
Here is that website if anyone was interested in the traffic through this area:
http://www.ohiorail.ohio.gov/crossings.php
To the OP:
You have my sincere sympathy. I live within earshot of the main line between Hamburg and Bremen. There are over 200 train movements each day. I am just glad that German trains are not as "noisy" as the trains in the US and Canada, which seems to be constantly sounding their horns & bells. May be that´s one of the reasons why trains are not too popular over at your end of the Big Pond.
Sound proofing your windows will certainly help to a degree. How are your neighbors coping with the situation? May be you could team up with them and address the issue with your city administration and CSX.
Noise will make you ill.
Theycallmesunny Anyone please guide me in the right direction, please!! -Christie in Rootstown
Anyone please guide me in the right direction, please!!
-Christie in Rootstown
Sue the real estate agent. Full disclosure laws may be a relief.
No:
http://www.wnd.com/2007/12/44948/
Is the requirement that all trains sound - - . - with a horn at all non quiet zone grade crossings obsolete? Is it still around because no one will take the responsibility for removing it? Does it really do any good?
Autos have changed since the requirement was long ago introduced. People now drive around in sealed up climate controlled autos listening to tunes and/or the radio. Do they actually hear the horn when approaching a crossing? What would be the actual change in train-auto collisions if the trains didn't sound the horn at crossings protected with lights and gates?
I think it's time to get answers to these questions instead of mindlesly continuing a requirement that was established a long time ago.
Thank you Paul! My husband mentioned to me Friday night when the trains were so bad, that we needed to get someone out to see if they can soundproof our bedroom. My reply was what about the kids who live here too and guests who stay...everyone else is annoyed am can't sleep but us? Lol. I would LOVE to open the windows on a night like tonight, but we just can't - not unless we want to wake up constantly. Our house is a colonial, and all bedroom are upstairs, so I'm sure it doesn't help matters?
All those things sound costly, especially considering we put down everything we had to buy our first home. It was built in 99, has nice pella windows, but I doubt they are triple pane. So the house isn't terribly old, however mote than likely missing some of the better, more energy efficient products. I guess the first step in knowing what can be done would be to get someone out here for an estimate. Thanks for the help Paul. I appreciate it.
Self-help is going to be your best remedy here.
Since you're only about 30 miles southeast of Cleveland, you should be able to find a noise abatement expert/ acoustical engineer, and/ or an architect with expertise in the problem. A phone call and a couple hundred dollars for the expert to come out for site visit ought to tell you if there if some hope for you at a reasonable cost.
Noise abatement is now a mature science, since the FAA has been subsidizing it at many airports, and this problem is of like kind - periodic low-frequency roars and tones. Although I'm no expert, I believe that steps such as replacing existing windows and glass doors with triple-pane ones with a noise-absorbing film or fabric go a long ways towards reducing the problem, as well as adding insulation to the exterior walls that are closest to the source of the sound. [My house has 6" concrete walls with 2-1/2' foam insulation on both sides and triple-glazed windows mainly for energy efficiency reasons, but another fortunate result is that I can't really hear the Harley-Davidson motorcycles roaring out of the BBQ roadhouse and down the road on the other side of the block, nor the jets climbing out from the airport a few miles away - which is how I know about the FAA noise abatement program - nor the neighbor's lawn tractor, barking dogs, etc.] Both of these steps will also help out with your heating and cooling bills, and as such may qualify for tax credits. Further steps would be to remove the existing drywall and replace it with new and thicker - such as 5/8" thick or maybe a double-layer of 3/8" or 1/2" thickness - mounted on a sound-deadening material between it and the wall studs, such as rubber washers or a Z-shape thin steel piece; again, improve the insulation in the wall cavity behind the drywall while you're at it, as some are better than others at absorbing certain noise levels. Finally, if a portion of your rear or side yard is towards the sound source, you might be able to install a wall or solid fence of some kind that will reduce the sound, as is done along the highways these days.
Expensive ? Yes, somewhat, but cheaper than taking a loss on selling the house. A lot of this - the windows and drywall, for example - can be done by a competent home-handyman type in a couple of weekends, especially with a friend or relative or two to help - none of this is rocket science. If you can get together with your neighbor and possibly some others, you could all help each other - or get a discount from a builder or renovating contractor for having multiple jobs in the same place at the same time. Finally, most of this work would also qualify for a home improvement or home equity loan, so the rate should be lower and the interest should be tax-deductible to help ease the pain.
See, for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_mitigation
http://www.citysoundproofing.com/understanding.html
http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/program_offices/comm_planning/environment/review/noise
http://www.noisecontrolproducts.com/
Another unlikely but possible solution is to see if one or more of the crossings can be closed or grade-separated with a bridge of some kind so that there is no more need for a horn or other regular sound warning at all.
Good luck with it !
- Paul North.
I do know there are laws and reasons why they have to sound their horns. We are placed right in the middle of a few crossings so as I stated, it's constant. I blame being new to Ohio period, and this area, and ourselves for not noticing this, but just wanted help. I know moving them would be out of the question...just wanted to quiet them lol. Thanks for the help.
Also it would be interesting to find out the statistics about Springfield. I'm curious to know the cost of this, and the amount their taxes increased due to this.
BaltACD I've got a complaint with all those that think garbage trucks should go about their business when the sun is up as well as those neighbors that think daylight is the time to ge a new roof on their house or have aborists using chainsaws non-stop wacking back trees. Not to mention all those telemarketers calling at all hours of the day. People are trying to sleep! Quiet please!
I've got a complaint with all those that think garbage trucks should go about their business when the sun is up as well as those neighbors that think daylight is the time to ge a new roof on their house or have aborists using chainsaws non-stop wacking back trees. Not to mention all those telemarketers calling at all hours of the day.
People are trying to sleep! Quiet please!
I know... no respect for us vampires C-trick workers.
The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.
Springfield, Ohio, has had a quiet zone for several years now. I wonder if their car/train accidents have increased, decreased, or stayed the same. Surely, there are some statistics and facts on this. Both Norfolk Southern and the city of Springfield would have the answer, I would think.
I am afraid you will probably not get much sympathy here on a rail fan website, we are as a rule anti-NIMBY. it is just that there really is no other way for the trains to operate. Federal law requires all trains to blow the two long one short one long signal before and during the crossing of any public highway, and even if it didn't, trains cannot stop in any response to a vehicle in the crossing unless they are a long way away- around a mile for a long heavy train at 70MPH or so, and thus must have a way of warning cars at a great distance, which train whistles (or horns if you will) do. Moving tracks is out of the question also, I would bet that the tracks near your home have been there for well over 100 years, probably 130, and the cost of building them is exceedingly expensive. I'm sorry.
Zugmann
That was pretty rude and uncalled for. This is a forum, and I found this while searching for issues with train noise in my area. I chose to comment and put in my "two cents" because I live directly in the path of the tracks that were mentioned in this "bellyache" article. I was glad to have found someone with mutual feelings.
I'm not one to complain much, but I was looking for help. If you feel my concern is a ridiculous rant, then don't read it. However, making one feel that their opinion and feelings on an issue are silly and insignificant is inappropriate.
When you buy your next house - please do us all a favor and spend an afternoon driving around looking for railroad tracks. Airports, too. And weather/fire sirens. And highways. Neighbors with loud cars. Neighbors with barking dogs. I'm sure there's some more.
With all due respect, if there are more fatalities due to a decrease in horn blowing, then perhaps there should be less licenses granted. Anyone with common sense approaches tracks with caution and looks both ways before crossing, because IMO those gates and lights shouldn't always be trusted. If someone is stupid enough to try to beat a train, then that is another issue.
My issue is the noise pollution. And it is noise pollution! Where we live there are two crossings - one before our house and one after behind us towards Sandy Lake Road - so we get the constant horns from both of those crossings...so there is no relief when a train or multiple trains come through...it's just back to back to back.
I didn't know the cost would be that much...I guess there goes my quiet zone. I wouldn't want our taxes to double, nor would I expect others to go along with it when that is the outcome for a good nights sleep. Is there anything else that can be done to stop the excessive noise other than that?
If not, I honestly think we will end up moving. This is by fat the busier and loudest track I had ever loved near in my life! And I had always lived within a mike or two of tracks. Never have I heard such traffic in my life. I just can't get over it. Not to mention how could we have missed this when we bought this house. We are going to lose big time trying to sell this place. Such a shame that citizens don't have more pull to stop something so awful.
My town looked into making the old Santa Fe mainline into a Quiet Zone a few years ago. They stopped when they got the cost estimates for the 6 Grade Crossings to comply with all FRA requirements was over 10 MILLION dollars and then the 1 million a year to maintain the system. Lets just say it went NO furher than that. The only City Councilman that pushed for it was voted out of office so fast he still has not recovered from all the boots in his rear.
The steep cost alone was enough to stop this town. It would have meant doubling the Property Taxes and no one here would stand for that.
And expect more fatalities at grade crossings if trains stop using their whistles, even with the quad gates etc..
Durand,MI has four crossings designated quiet zones but were 'grandfathered'. The locals know, but the only warning for tourists is a 'no train horn' sign before the crossings.
Norm
Thank you for the guidance. I hope something can be done. I know we would gladly pay a little more in taxes of it meant we could get a good nights sleep.
Thanks again!
Get your local govenment to contact the FRA for what is necessary to be done to enact a quiet zone. Expect your local taxes to rise for the expenses involved in the required changes. NS is the carrier in your area and it is their Pittsburgh-Cleveland-Chicago main line.
Hi there,
I came across this forum while searching the Internet to see if anyone else has a problem with the excessive train noise in Ravenna, OH area.
Long story short, my husband and I relocated from MI, and not knowing this area at all, we found a house in Rootstown, but never noticed the tracks, and were never told it was so close. Never heard a train during the times we viewed the home, or when the home inspection was done...but our first night here, we couldn't believe it! I am not exaggerating when I say it is train, after train, after train. The horns seem like they constantly blow, and sometimes it sounds as if multiple trains are honking their horns at the same time. We can't even sleep with our windows open because of the noise, and it frequently wakes out baby, and keeps us up at night.
I met another couple who just bought a house last month across the street, and she said the train noise is unreal! She said it's like every 5-10 min there is a train. If I had to guess how many trains go through here nightly it would be in excess of 30-40 easily. And it seems the traffic begins at night, which is horrible because just about the time you are getting ready to wind down, the train horns start full force. As I'm writing this in about 20 min I have hear 4 trains already.
I contacted local folks in Rootstown who pointed me to the FRA, and I spoke with a very nice lady who said she would make sure they are blowing the horns per regulations, but I wanted to know what can be done to stop this noise...at least at night, and I was told the mayor would have to petition this, but that areas close by have quiet zones. That's what we need here too!!
It's a shame to want to walk away from our first home, lose alot of money, all because of the excessive train horn blowing!
Please help me to figure out what I can do to get my community a quiet zone and fast. We are sleep deprived, and considering moving. Although I could never not disclose this to another buyer, I would feel horrible, because it is torture!
BaltACD,
Thanks for your valuable recollections. I'll be using your information in my reply. At the same time, I have emailed CSX as per another suggestion here. I'll see what they say, too.
I always appreciate being able to get the straight stuff here from fellow rail fans.
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