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  • Our local newspaper has a "bellyache" column in which a man has made comments about CSX horns driving him crazy.  Yesterday he claimed that the traffic "has at least quadrupled" in the 15 years he's been living there.  The line in question is near Ravenna, Ohio (east of Akron).

    Does anyone here have any statistics or numbers that I can use to refute such a preposterous claim?  I live two blocks from the same line and I know that's not a correct number.  Who can estimate or tell me the actual number of freights on that line in 1987 and 2012?  

    Many thanks.

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  • I live close to a busy airport in Michigan and hear the same complaints from those who have purchased property nearby. A lot has been done over the years to quiet the jets. Can't say the same for train horns considering they need to be heard over today's automotive stereo systems that are driving our young toward deafness.

    Moral: If you can't stand the noise don't buy a house close to a crossing. OTOH, if you live in town you could petition for a quiet zone, but it will have to come from the city coffers and will be reflected in your property tax.

    Sorry, I have no statistics to offer.

    Norm

    If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.

  • NKP guy

    Our local newspaper has a "bellyache" column in which a man has made comments about CSX horns driving him crazy.  Yesterday he claimed that the traffic "has at least quadrupled" in the 15 years he's been living there.  The line in question is near Ravenna, Ohio (east of Akron).

    Does anyone here have any statistics or numbers that I can use to refute such a preposterous claim?  I live two blocks from the same line and I know that's not a correct number.  Who can estimate or tell me the actual number of freights on that line in 1987 and 2012?  

    Many thanks. 

    Try the CSX public relations office.  Give them a call or write them a letter. Tell them that you want to refute a claim in your local blather-sheet. I have sought information this way and have been successful.  

  • This is pretty much the same issue being raised by several suburbs in the Chicago area, especially Barrington and Frankfort, about the increase in traffic on the former EJ&E since it was absorbed by CN.  In fairness, though, traffic on the EJ&E was pretty light prior to the merger.

    Paul The commute to work may be part of the daily grind, but I get two train rides a day out of it.
  • I don't have the statistics or actual numbers to back up what I am about to say.

    I worked the B&O Operator's position at Ravenna (as well as all the Akron Divisions operator positions) in the late 60's.  During that time the normal volume of trains was 20-30 B&O freights per 8 hour shift, there were 3 passenger schedules in each direction throughout the day and there were additionally 1 or 2 PRR freights that utilized trackage rights between Niles Jct, OH and Ravenna.

    The traffic that CSX is currently operating through Ravenna is down from the levels that were being operated prior to the current recession and are on the order of about 15 trains per 8 hour shift, there are no passenger movements as the Washington-Chicago Amtrak route operates on NS West of Pittsburgh.  There are no longer any trackage rights movements between Niles Jct. and Ravenna.  My job responsibilities are not on the Great Lakes Division, however, my responsibilities adjoin the Great Lakes at New Castle.

    Sometimes forgotten is the former PRR line through Ravenna.  That line was part of the line from Cleveland to Alliance if I remember correctly.  NS got this trackage in the CR split.  What NS's operating volumes through Ravenna are - I have no idea; either historically or at present.

    NKP guy

    Our local newspaper has a "bellyache" column in which a man has made comments about CSX horns driving him crazy.  Yesterday he claimed that the traffic "has at least quadrupled" in the 15 years he's been living there.  The line in question is near Ravenna, Ohio (east of Akron).

    Does anyone here have any statistics or numbers that I can use to refute such a preposterous claim?  I live two blocks from the same line and I know that's not a correct number.  Who can estimate or tell me the actual number of freights on that line in 1987 and 2012?  

    Many thanks.

    Never too old to have a happy childhood!

  • Just a thought, on your noise problem. 

        You ought to have your 'Bellyacher' look into a no-horn zone for your community. The shear costs will numb him down, and  a campaign for no-horn zone will make local politicians apoplectic. 

        Sounds like someone trying to drum up local news stories.  This same personality type is seeded throughout the country. Folks like those out in California, that buy homes built next to wind farms, and then complain about the noise of the blades.  

       I live near a double tracked main line with a bi-directional flow  that is some where north of about 50 a day.  The only time you notice then is when outside or on the first night sleeping with the windows open. After a couple go by the sound is a comfort rather than a disturbance. My 2 Cents

      Tell your 'bellyacher' to go find a real problem to worry about.Crying

    Sam

     

     


     

  • I wonder if ns uses that connection to get to pittsburgh ? there could be more stack trains through there on csx once the tunnel clearances get done.I also know they have replacing the cpl's as well.

    stay safe

    joe

    Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt wants your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(pending retirement as champion in 2014!!)

  • BaltACD,

       Thanks for your valuable recollections.  I'll be using your information in my reply.  At the same time, I have emailed CSX as per another suggestion here.  I'll see what they say, too.

       I always appreciate being able to get the straight stuff here from fellow rail fans.

     

     

  • Hi there,

    I came across this forum while searching the Internet to see if anyone else has a problem with the excessive train noise in Ravenna, OH area. 

    Long story short, my husband and I relocated from MI, and not knowing this area at all, we found a house in Rootstown, but never noticed the tracks, and were never told it was so close. Never heard a train during the times we viewed the home, or when the home inspection was done...but our first night here, we couldn't believe it! I am not exaggerating when I say it is train, after train, after train. The horns seem like they constantly blow, and sometimes it sounds as if multiple trains are honking their horns at the same time. We can't even sleep with our windows open because of the noise, and it frequently wakes out baby, and keeps us up at night. 

    I met another couple who just bought a house last month across the street, and she said the train noise is unreal! She said it's like every 5-10 min there is a train. If I had to guess how many trains go through here nightly it would be in excess of 30-40 easily. And it seems the traffic begins at night, which is horrible because just about the time you are getting ready to wind down, the train horns start full force. As I'm writing this in about 20 min I have hear 4 trains already. 

    I contacted local folks in Rootstown who pointed me to the FRA, and I spoke with a very nice lady who said she would make sure they are blowing the horns per regulations, but I wanted to know what can be done to stop this noise...at least at night, and I was told the mayor would have to petition this, but that areas close by have quiet zones. That's what we need here too!! 

    It's a shame to want to walk away from our first home, lose alot of money, all because of the excessive train horn blowing! 

    Please help me to figure out what I can do to get my community a quiet zone and fast. We are sleep deprived, and considering moving. Although I could never not disclose this to another buyer, I would feel horrible, because it is torture! 

    Anyone please guide me in the right direction, please!! 

    -Christie in Rootstown

  • Get your local govenment to contact the FRA for what is necessary to be done to enact a quiet zone.  Expect your local taxes to rise for the expenses involved in the required changes.  NS is the carrier in your area and it is their Pittsburgh-Cleveland-Chicago main line.

    Never too old to have a happy childhood!

  • Thank you for the guidance. I hope something can be done. I know we would gladly pay a little more in taxes of it meant we could get a good nights sleep. 

    Thanks again! 

  • Durand,MI has four crossings designated quiet zones but were 'grandfathered'. The locals know, but the only warning for tourists is a 'no train horn' sign before the crossings.

    Norm

    If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.

  • And expect more fatalities at grade crossings if trains stop using their whistles, even with the quad gates etc..

  • My town looked into making the old Santa Fe mainline into a Quiet Zone a few years ago.  They stopped when they got the cost estimates for the 6 Grade Crossings to comply with all FRA requirements was over 10 MILLION dollars and then the 1 million a year to maintain the system.  Lets just say it went NO furher than that.  The only City Councilman that pushed for it was voted out of office so fast he still has not recovered from all the boots in his rear. 

     

    The steep cost alone was enough to stop this town.  It would have meant doubling the Property Taxes and no one here would stand for that. 

    Always at war with those that think OTR trucking is EASY.
  • With all due respect, if there are more fatalities due to a decrease in horn blowing, then perhaps there should be less licenses granted. Anyone with common sense approaches tracks with caution and looks both ways before crossing, because IMO those gates and lights shouldn't always be trusted. If someone is stupid enough to try to beat a train, then that is another issue. 

    My issue is the noise pollution. And it is noise pollution! Where we live there are two crossings - one before our house and one after behind us towards Sandy Lake Road - so we get the constant horns from both of those crossings...so there is no relief when a train or multiple trains come through...it's just back to back to back. 

    I didn't know the cost would be that much...I guess there goes my quiet zone. I wouldn't want our taxes to double, nor would I expect others to go along with it when that is the outcome for a good nights sleep. Is there anything else that can be done to stop the excessive noise other than that? 

    If not, I honestly think we will end up moving. This is by fat the busier and loudest track I had ever loved near in my life! And I had always lived within a mike or two of tracks. Never have I heard such traffic in my life. I just can't get over it. Not to mention how could we have missed this when we bought this house. We are going to lose big time trying to sell this place. Such a shame that citizens don't have more pull to stop something so awful.