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Posted by CShaveRR on Sunday, April 11, 2010 8:20 PM
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Place looks deserted...it was abandoned in favor of the second-quarter edition. The Lounge is a place to ask railroad questions, post railroad photographs, describe railfan (or railroad) experiences, or otherwise discuss what's important in your lives. Please, no mention of or playing at serving meals. The lack of that nonsense is the principal thing that distinguishes us from the Flat-Wheel Cafe, also on this Forum.

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Posted by cudaken on Sunday, April 11, 2010 5:12 PM

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Posted by mudchicken on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 2:18 PM

Chris: Find a way to slide over to Grant, NE on the way "north"

US-6 east out of Sterling to Holyoke ; North on US-385 about 1/2 mile to just north of the trax; then east on CO/NE 23 to Grant ....You can go north on NE-61 to Ogalalla(I-80) or continue east on 23 to US-83 North into N.Platte

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Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:18 PM

Chris - etch my name somewhere in North Platte and tell them I will be there to read it in May!  Shy

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Posted by CopCarSS on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:45 AM

CShaveRR
Further north...like, maybe, Cheyenne?

That's what I was thinking, yes. And then east to, let's say...North Platte? Wink

On a serious note, your friend's wife and his family will be in my prayers.

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Posted by Modelcar on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:36 AM

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The TV channels were talking about the fire and police heroes in Westmont, Illinois, that pulled a couple of victims out of a retention pond that their car had gone into. The emphasis of the story was on the two heroes, and rightly so.

 

....This type of story is so wide spread and so often....Just a few days ago, in our Indianapolis area, a Mustang was pulled out of a side of the road pond and it also included a fatality.

Why oh why isn't there regulations regarding these {retention ponds near streets in additions, as well as ponds near highways}....stating a guardrail structure must be in place on the side that faces the street or highway....!!

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Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:33 AM
Further north...like, maybe, Cheyenne?

We're having short-sleeves-and-shorts weather here today. We're going to meet Ellen and the kids in Downers Grove for lunch in a couple of hours, and I'm just hoping the BNSF will cooperate with this! They have a hard time fitting us in between the morning's activities and nap-time.

Got some fairly surprising news yesterday. The TV channels were talking about the fire and police heroes in Westmont, Illinois, that pulled a couple of victims out of a retention pond that their car had gone into. The emphasis of the story was on the two heroes, and rightly so. But the driver of the car was a guy who I used to be well acquainted with--a modeler, historian, and former EMD employee. We also knew his wife (who remains in critical condition; he's in good condition) and their kids, who were a few years older than ours. We've not been able to get an update from this morning (the incident happened Monday night; we first heard about it last evening).

Dan, it sounds like your "weekend" is coinciding pretty well with my work week. I'd encourage the trips to Duplainville and Rochelle, if you could do it (though the latter sounds a little far for a one-day family outing). Sorry I wouldn't be able to join you there, but Thursday through Monday are now work days for me.

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Posted by CopCarSS on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:18 AM

I like the shot, too, Dan! There's nothing like finding one's old stomping grounds and figuring out what has changed. It's why I stop at Eola every time I'm back in Aurora!

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Posted by CNW 6000 on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 7:57 AM

CNs train #340 had a UDE yesterday.  Hearing some of the comments from motorists at crossings  "The d@#$ railroad only does this to tick off the City and show that they don't care!" was pretty amazing.  Once I explained to them what actualy was going on and that the conductor had a very long walk ahead of him...they were like "Oh, that sucks for him" and calmed down.  Turned out that the gladhands not far from the rear of the train got knocked apart - easy fix.  The crew was pretty nice...Smile,Wink, & Grin

It's "Friday" for me today.  I will definately be out 'fanning over the next 6 days.  I'd actually like to go see the diamonds at Duplainville if I get the chance as I've never been there.  A trip to Rochelle would be awesome...but I'm not gonna hold my breath.

I'm taking Aedan to the hunting grounds for the first time (it'll be in the 70s) carrying on the tradition my father started with me.  He took me there when I was about Aedan's age for my first visit.  It'll be interesting to see how he does.  The little squirt is trying so hard to stand up and take itty bitty steps...pretty amazing process to watch.

One of my most recent shots from trackside is below.  I used to railfan here as a kid.  Of course...things were different then.  Trees were barely big enough for shade, CNW ran the rails, and there was a siding!  Still...I like the shot.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, March 29, 2010 3:57 PM
Chris, I would gladly have let you work my extra day, if such a thing were possible.

Actually, today wasn't so bad. Nice, easy pace.

SJ, I was on an afternoon job with Tuesday and Wednesday off when we all were new to the Forum. They changed that job to Mondays and Tuesdays when the Signal Department changed its work window day. The "cause" of this most recent change was restoration of all of the jobs--corporate memory must be very short-term, because they could have done it without messing with day-shift's off days. If you want weekends off now, you have to work nights. No, thanks!

The bad news is, the upsurge is supposed to be temporary, due to the threat of flooding up in Minnesota. It seems that things are getting back to normal--we've gotten our old classifications to work with again. I don't know if we'll lose the jobs we just got back.

Randy, I knew somebody here lived in Burlington, but I was thinking it was Jay. I'm sure, based on our experience there, that we'll be back! Just for fun, it might be interesting to take Illinois 83 all the way up to where it changes to Wisconsin 83 and continues to Burlington. "Our" 83 passes just a few miles east of Lombard, and skirts Chicago before ending at the Indiana border.

The best news is, that I'm off now, and this is the first time I've officially encountered the revised Hours of Service regulations. I have a mandatory rest period of 48 hours from the time I tied up today. These next 48 hours are supposed to be pleasant, with highs in the 60s tomorrow and the 70s Wednesday. Pat wants to take a hike in the Arboretum one of those days, and we should break out the bikes, too. I'd like to properly introduce a grandchild or three to trains and train-watching, if they can work us in to their busy schedules.

Tonight, we're going to a book party, where a book related to local history is being debuted. We plan on getting a few of these books, signed by the authors (one of whom I happen to be married to).

Carl

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Posted by CopCarSS on Monday, March 29, 2010 10:30 AM

Good Morning!

I don't have a whole lot to report from this weekend. However, next weekend looks to be a good one. While I'm still on 4 day work weeks and disliking it, it'll be nice to have this Friday off. There's something big happening a bit further north. Wink

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Posted by rvos1979 on Monday, March 29, 2010 8:37 AM

Carl, how nice of you to have stopped in Burlington, sadly, I was not home at the time, I live in that apartment complex that is just down from the Charcoal Grill.  We have an apartment on the river side, which does not bother us at all.

Have noticed traffic is up a bit, both rail and road.  Was at MillerCoors in Eden, NC, a while ago, and saw that two of the three rail loading dock tracks had been turned into more warehouse space, not sure if that's a good sign or not for either rail or truck shipping (like the business, but four or five trailer loads fit into one boxcar).

Scary to think what would happen if UP ever decided to completely rebuild Proviso...... 

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Posted by Modelcar on Monday, March 29, 2010 8:23 AM

Hearing these work week / days off changes seems to really be stiring the work week pot.   I wonder if this might brighten the thoughts of Carl and his upcoming ?? retirement.

What is fostering all these changes....?

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Posted by Mookie on Monday, March 29, 2010 7:14 AM

BC - weren't you on T-W days off a few years back?  Seems like you were T-W and Houston Ed was R-F when I started on the forum. 

Driver has to work a Sat about the 2nd week in April (his last weekend) and it about kills both of us.  It is 6 on, 1 off and then 5 on.  Not enough time to recover.  They are going to miss him, too!  Thumbs Up

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Posted by CNW 6000 on Monday, March 29, 2010 6:47 AM

CShaveRR
But the brightness is relative. Sunday used to be the end of my work week. But they changed our days off, so we all have to come in and do it again tomorrow before taking our weekend.

Just finished one weekend...three day workweek...then 6 days off...then 3 day workweek...then another weekend.  Looks like my 6 days off will come at a nice stretch too.  Gotta use the vacation before I change jobs and lose some.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, March 29, 2010 5:35 AM
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Sunday used to be the end of my work week. But they changed our days off, so we all have to come in and do it again tomorrow before taking our weekend.
Oww! My body is protesting this sixth start. But I'm not alone--the whole shift of CROs is in the same boat. Maybe it will be a quiet day--the car count in the receiving yard was slowly trending downward. (Still, I don't care if there were only twenty cars to hump up there--it would still somehow translate into eight hours' work!)

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Posted by CShaveRR on Sunday, March 28, 2010 3:48 PM
Today was an interesting day--we had three tracks out of service that hadn't been out last night. Turns out that an engine derailed due to wide gauge on one of the tracks, and somehow caused all three to be taken out (maybe it affected the switch on that lead). Anyway, the bowl had over 1100 cars in it, with these three tracks (among others) out--three of the longest tracks in the yard. We were running out of places to put cars. Then the section people arrived, and shortly two of the three were restored to us. It was absolutely amazing how much brighter the day got after that happened!

But the brightness is relative. Sunday used to be the end of my work week. But they changed our days off, so we all have to come in and do it again tomorrow before taking our weekend.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, March 27, 2010 3:26 PM
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Carl: You may not want to answer these questions.

1.  Is this normal for all humps?

I can't speak for any other hump yard. I'd like to say not, but I'm sure that they all have their own dirty little secrets.

2.  How old are the retarders?

Not very. They are replaced every few years, especially the intermediate retarders (such as the one in my latest comments), which see the most use.

3.  Is a bad design?

They were better when they had electric motors, but those were "enhanced" with hydraulics a while back, possibly to reduce energy use. The hydraulic motors present their own problems, and seem to have a built-in delay. And believe me, those couple of seconds could make a precious amount of difference at times!

4. Is PM not scheduled enough?

Ah, now we may be getting somewhere! The Signal Department here seems to be understaffed, and it's often hard to get a maintainer quickly. I think they do a good job within the constraints they have, but we have to hump, and they take an amazing beating. I think the problems got worse when the gross rail load was increased to 286K from 263K--I can still handle the cars, but we never used to bend and break as many shoes as we do now.

5. Best of all what would you do different in design if you had your way?

Redesign isn't my thing--I'm a master at making do. I'm sure that the entire hump would have to be redesigned for things to change.

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:31 AM

Carl: Youmay not want to answer these questions.

1.  Is this normal for all humps?

2.  How old are the retarders?

3.  Is a bad design?

4. Is PM not scheduled enough?

5. Best of all what would you do different in design if you had your way?

 

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Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, March 27, 2010 5:34 AM
I could make a fortune if I could bottle it and sell it, but experience is the best teacher. I, on the other hand, am not--I make the job look too easy, and can't offer a good reason verbally for the little things I'm doing all the time.

If I were to be brought in after I retired, it would have to be as a private contractor--I believe that once I've retired, I'm not allowed to work at a job that pays into the Railroad Retirement system.

There's really no way to deal with a situation like this. I've had cars fail to roll out of the retarder for whatever reason (uneven shoes, brake on the car, retarder won't release or releases slowly), and the same thing may or may not happen--the following car is too close to be diverted, and if it's a load coming against an empty after the slight curve ahead of the retarder, you may have a problem. And, unless you have the presence of mind to divert them while dealing with this, there's another car (or two) that have been cut off and might roll into the ensuing mess. It probably could have been worse than it was, which was plenty bad.

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Posted by Deggesty on Friday, March 26, 2010 9:48 PM

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Carl's employer is really missing a learning and teaching opportunity by not doing something to preserve and pass on that institutional knowledge - another example of the ''10,000 hour principle'', you know.  Thumbs Up

- Paul North. 

Perhaps Carl should be on call for a year, being paid a retainer fee?Smile I imagine that his knowledge of dealing with surprise situations cannot be easily passed on in a classroom environment, but has to be applied at the time when it is needed.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Friday, March 26, 2010 9:37 PM

Carl's employer is really missing a learning and teaching opportunity by not doing something to preserve and pass on that institutional knowledge - another example of the ''10,000 hour principle'', you know.  Thumbs Up

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Posted by BNSFwatcher on Friday, March 26, 2010 5:45 PM

According to my 1993 edition of the Burlington Northern "Northern Corridor" ETT, the lunar signal could have many meanings, sometimes in conjunction with other heads.  It could be used for an "Approach Restricting", "Restricting Proceed", "Take Siding", "Spring Switch Indicator", "Failed Equipment Indicator" and "Slide Fence Indicator", depending, too, on whether it was flashing, or not.  In the latter case, the flashing lunar was a good sign!  We still have one in daily use, here in Shelby, MT (BNSF)governing movements onto the Great Falls Sub..  I'm sure the signals, using lunar, vary by railroad.  I never saw one on the New York Central or New Haven, but....

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, March 26, 2010 4:41 PM
Interesting day today: not only did we have 1000+ cars in the receiving yard, but more trains were coming in, like streetcars (saw a CN train close on the marker of an IHB train first thing this morning, and later on had guests from NS and CP). The receiving-yard count had been increased by a serious wreck on and below one of "my" retarders yesterday evening. It took seven or eight hours to clean up. I looked at the report of the derailment, which said that a "broken brake shoe" in the retarder was the cause. It showed that two cars had derailed, and gave their numbers and contents.

That info was enough for me: when my relief came in, I told him which train he was humping, which hump lead he was working from, where the two cars had been destined, and the fact that the load had caught up to the empty, which the retarder didn't release quickly enough, possibly dislodging a retarder beam (not a "brake shoe"). He just stood there with his mouth open.

Boy, they're gonna miss me when I'm gone!

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Posted by CNW 6000 on Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:44 PM

Bruce,

That CP unit was probably a CEFX leaser.  A 'reliable source' I have on CP tells me that those units are pretty prevalent in certain subs lately.

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Jim,

Thanks for the info.  I will have to check with some sources I have.  Maybe they can give me some insight.

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CN has been pretty busy today.  Seems like my timing has been off a bit (for pics) but I've seen 12 through trains today plus 3 or 4 locals.  Makes up for a quiet Tuesday (yesterday).  I also can't believe that 1Q 2010 is almost over.  A week from today we'll open up Trackside Lounge: 2Q 2010.

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Posted by AgentKid on Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:17 PM

Just a few random thoughts.

My train watching record is intact for the third day in a row, on Monday, although I did have to fudge it a bit while I was killing time between a doctor appointment and meeting a friend for lunch downtown. It was a double stacker, and boy he didn't sound good. There were two GE AC units, the lead one CP and the second a blue and white leaser. I wasn't close enough to get reporting marks or numbers. Oddly enough it was the CP unit that didn't sound good at all. If it was a car you would say it was not firing on one cylinder but I don't know what would cause that sound in a diesel engine. The oldest of these GE's were purchased in 1995 so I guess you could expect trouble in a fifteen year old unit. He was just above idling through downtown toward the signal at Sunalta where he stopped to wait for a green signal to leave town. When he got the green I don't know if the rough running smoothed out, or did he die before he got to TrainBoy H16-44's posted location! 7.3 miles down the track!

The next thing I will mention is the Ford Women's World Curling Championship from Swift Current, SK. There have been some really pretty shots of grain and stack trains around the yard and elevator. I think they are called mood shots that they use at the end of commercial breaks before they get back to the action. If you have access to TSN on satellite or whatever, the pictures are worth checking out. There would be nothing to differentiate Swift Current from the "two elevator" villages on either side of it, except it has been a CPR crew change point since the beginning, and is now a city of 16,000.

Finally a follow up to a post Carl made back on the 12th.

I forgot to mention that we were out with our daughter and all three grandkids for a trip into Chicago on Monday (by mom-mobile, not by train). I had to be in the far back of the van, sharing the seat with Katelyn, age 5. I mentioned to her that sometime when the weather was good, I'd like to take her down to the tracks somewhere and look for trains. You should have seen her eyes light up! She actually remembered the time over a year ago that we walked across the street from the restaurant in Downers Grove (2Toots), and stood trackside for about five minutes. She remembered that I showed her the signals. But we didn't see trains then...whenever we do it again, we hope to change that!

When Carl talks about his granddaughter I think of an incident with my father. My sister wasn't born until after we left the station in Irricana, AB, so she never had that experience. When she was 13 or 14 my parents took her to Disneyland. They were heading toward Frontierland when they could hear the clicking of the telegraph in the Frontierland Station. My sister had never heard that sound before. It was a repeating message that said something like "Welcome to Disneyland, blah, blah,..." Years later, after my Dad got sick, he said watching her watching him copy that message was one of the best days of his life.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:01 PM
Johnny, your theory that a journal sans brasses would be off-center vertically seems plausible enough, but I can't confirm, having never seen a car in that condition. I suspect that such a car wouldn't travel very far.

Brutal times ahead at work. Flooding (and flood anticipation) around the Twin Cities have disrupted a number of our lines into the area, so manifests are being adjusted to get the stuff into and out of the area any way possible. We've gotten a new block to build, at least one new daily manifest to the north, and are expecting several hundred additional cars per day. Today we started out with over 1000 cars to hump in the receiving yard (and also over 1000 in the bowl, so there wouldn't be many places to hump into). We did manage to get the count down to under 900, but not before it had gone over 1100 in mid-morning. I think our hump count was in the 600s.

The good news is that except for a four-to-eight-hour maintenance window every week, the hump is back to continuous operation, at least for the duration. For some reason, they found it necessary to change everyone's days off (first shift could have escaped the change, and it's slightly frustrating). Fortunately this won't cost me any earnings--the guy who relieved me today just got back from his weekend, and he'll be on another one starting tomorrow, apparently (unless he changes jobs--he gets a bump out of the deal).

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Posted by zardoz on Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:50 AM

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Jim-
I know I hear dynamics all the time...so that's pretty likely.  What's "power braking"?

"Power braking" is the term used for when an engineer uses small reductions in air brake pressure to control the speed of a train, instead of using the locomotive's dynamic braking.

During power braking, the locomotives stay in power mode (usually 6th notch and above) with the engineer continually bailing off the locomtive air brakes.  Power braking is used to keep the slack stretched, as opposed to dynamic braking which entails all the slack to be bunched.

If the track profile is such that the constant adjustment of slack would be dangerous, it is better to just keep the train stretched as tight as possible. 

"Hogbacks" are the worst, due to the fact that with a lengthy train you might have your train going both up and down numerous hills at the same time.  Without keeping the train slack completely stretched (or bunched), a block of cars on a uphill or downhill portion of the hogback will sometimes acquire a 'group mentality' and behave as one unit; and if this 'unit' decides to run in or out at the wrong time, knuckles and/or drawbar failures are likely.  Of course, if the majority of the track profile is hogbacks, (like it seems the CN in Wisconsin is), then there isn't too much you can do, as one cannot run the train constantly with the brakes applied.

The downsides to power braking are that it wastes fuel, and you risk activation of 'dynamiters' (cars with defective air control valves that cause an emergency application of the air brakes when any reduction of air occurs). And of course if you do it too often, you risk depleting your air braking capability.

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Posted by Deggesty on Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:21 PM

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One thing that's missing from this truck is the brake beams and brake shoes. I wouldn't be surprised if the brass bearings that supported the truck frame over the axles are also missing (we had people at work who got busted for stealing those for their scrap value).

I had noticed this, and thought it is well that the wheels ae chocked.Smile Since you mention the brasses, the wheel on the left seems to be off-center horizontally, yet centered vertically, and the wheel on the right seems to be centered all the way around.  Am I right that if the brasses are missing, the wheels will be off-center vertically?

Johnny

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