They have only agreed to sell. The non-profits are still raising the public and private funds needed for the undisclosed purchase amount. NS will abandon after the check clears.
Isn't going to happen anytime soon - NS has yet to file anything on the Saluda abandonment this year....Something else going on in the background?
See also:
Breaking news: Agreement reached with Norfolk Southern (mailchi.mp)
Technically it will reopen. As a trail.
Ulrich I'm no expert, but terminal outgassing sounds like something to avoided..
I'm no expert, but terminal outgassing sounds like something to avoided..
Time for you to edit your title.!!!
I had one of those on my Schwinn Stingray when I was a kid...50+ years ago. Damn, I'm old!
BackshopUh, they were making a joke about Saluda after it becomes a bike trail...
You know, those old wheel generator driven headlights...
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
Nothing has been filed with the STB... yet.
Hope this trails group is "with-it", can prove it is a responsible party and has financial integrity.
Backshop Overmod (1) ... Uh, they were making a joke about Saluda after it becomes a bike trail...
Overmod (1) ...
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Uh, they were making a joke about Saluda after it becomes a bike trail...
And if I had read down just one post further I'd have figured it out, too.
Guess I'll leave it up for comic relief of a different kind.
Moral: Composite shoes are not the only things that suffer a fail through excessive outgassing...
UlrichI'm no expert, but terminal outgassing sounds like something to avoided..
The human condition has much outgassing, but it is rarely terminal.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Overmod PeteM3 Also, Balt, no need for a runaway trail if they set their retainer and use their dynamics. In addition to what Balt said: (1) it is illegal to control a train on a substantial downgrade using only dynamics; in fact, it is illegal to use dynamics as a significant part of the braking on such downgrades. See the repeated fun on Sand Patch, where there were several instances of runaways. If the train gets above about 23mph FOR ANY REASON the brakeshoes will not hold the train. (2) Saluda is considerably steeper than Sand Patch, and it does not take more than a few seconds to accelerate the train beyond the point composition shoes get into terminal outgassing. You will want a safety track after that.
PeteM3 Also, Balt, no need for a runaway trail if they set their retainer and use their dynamics.
In addition to what Balt said:
(1) it is illegal to control a train on a substantial downgrade using only dynamics; in fact, it is illegal to use dynamics as a significant part of the braking on such downgrades. See the repeated fun on Sand Patch, where there were several instances of runaways. If the train gets above about 23mph FOR ANY REASON the brakeshoes will not hold the train.
(2) Saluda is considerably steeper than Sand Patch, and it does not take more than a few seconds to accelerate the train beyond the point composition shoes get into terminal outgassing. You will want a safety track after that.
PeteM3Also, Balt, no need for a runaway trail if they set their retainer and use their dynamics.
PeteM3So, does this event foreshadow the imminent demise of this, the thread that wouldn't die? Also, Balt, no need for a runaway trail if they set their retainer and use their dynamics.
Also, Balt, no need for a runaway trail if they set their retainer and use their dynamics.
Retainers and Dynamics can fail!
So, does this event foreshadow the imminent demise of this, the thread that wouldn't die?
dubch87Coalition, Norfolk Southern reach agreement on future Saluda Grade Trail purchase, terms
Wonder if they will engineer in 'safety escape' trails for bikers that lose their brakes coming down grade?
Coalition, Norfolk Southern reach agreement on future Saluda Grade Trail purchase, terms
Just don't eat the BBQ.
Russell
csxns NS is going to sale Saluda grade it is going to be a rail trail.
NS is going to sale Saluda grade it is going to be a rail trail.
Well, hopefully it happens soon.. I look forward to riding it.
I honestly wish I was around to see trains run up saluda, it seemed like such an interesting piece of engineering which is was and still is. I went there a few months ago and the state of the track is just sad. I wish one day something would happen but thats never gonna happen with whats going on now. Now im just curious to see the outcome of it today.
I wonder how many of the NIMBYs ride rail trails when they go on vacation somewhere else? I've never know any trails that had a littering or vandalism problem.
kgbw49I would suspect for Saluda on a standard bike most people will have to get down in the lower gears of their sprocket and grind uphill,
Oftimes, it's easier to just get off and walk...
kgbw49 Colleagues, I bike (not e-bike) 2000+ miles per year. Not the most and not the least but a decent number. 3% or more for a sustained length of several miles will really get your heart pumping as BaltACD mentioned. I would suspect for Saluda on a standard bike most people will have to get down in the lower gears of their sprocket and grind uphill, not unlike all those Southern long-hood-forward locomotives had to do. Quads would likely feel the burn a bit even for those who clip in.
Colleagues, I bike (not e-bike) 2000+ miles per year. Not the most and not the least but a decent number. 3% or more for a sustained length of several miles will really get your heart pumping as BaltACD mentioned. I would suspect for Saluda on a standard bike most people will have to get down in the lower gears of their sprocket and grind uphill, not unlike all those Southern long-hood-forward locomotives had to do. Quads would likely feel the burn a bit even for those who clip in.
Yes, getting into lower gears is also a good way to save one's knees from serious damage.
It is my experience that each State is different, due to legislation and past legal judgements.
blue streak 1 What is the situation of the land owner ship underneath the tracks and ROW? There is a conduit under at least part of the line in question. Permanent easements, rail only easemens, NS ( nee SOU RR ) owned, combined easemets, different owners on different sections, leased from different owners, etc ?
What is the situation of the land owner ship underneath the tracks and ROW? There is a conduit under at least part of the line in question. Permanent easements, rail only easemens, NS ( nee SOU RR ) owned, combined easemets, different owners on different sections, leased from different owners, etc ?
This is how MC makes his living.
And the agreements involved (leases, easements, etc, and so on) often go back well over 100 years.
If NS owns the line "fee simple" (ie, the land was bought and paid for by the railroad in the first place), no big deal. If the line is cobbled together of said easements, etc, and the property owners lawyer up, it could get interesting.
I'm sure the real estate folks at NS have been doing their due diligence. Or not...
I was reading an article about the rails to trails propositio for saluda and many of the residents that live track side were very adament about not wanting it to become a bike path. The reason is most of the people the track runs in their backyards and letting it sit will not intervene with their privac. If they make it a trail they say its gonna bring too much attention and would probably cause a lot of issues regarding land and people. I dont remember the article but if I find it I will post it. Honestly I agree with them in the sense of privacy. People could easily just walk into their land or litter around the area basically ruining the land around it. Honestly they should just make it sit.
C40_9w Personally I dont think Rails to Trails would get it. Theyve asked for the past 20 years and from what I hear NS declines everytime. Who knows, only the future will tell.
Personally I dont think Rails to Trails would get it. Theyve asked for the past 20 years and from what I hear NS declines everytime. Who knows, only the future will tell.
That's what's different this time. Several times in the past, NS said NO right from the start. They're not saying that this time. They're not commenting and stating they won't "provide any information on the railway's strategic assets out of respect for the inquiring party." That's business-speak for negotiating a price. The non-profits have already said as much.A new article from The Tryon Daily Bulletin reports an estimated cost of $30 million to purchase and $30 million to build the trail.
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