Abandoned bridges?

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Thursday, October 12, 2017 8:03 PM

AREMA offers a 1-day course/ seminar on "Load Rating of Steel Railroad Bridges" from time to time.  It was just offered at the Indianapolis conference in Sept. (and last year at Orlando, too), but I don't see it listed under the current schedule: 

https://www.arema.org/Seminars/index.aspx 

Inspection and rating of the things is a real specialty. 

More practically, I suggest finding a nearby rail-trail on an ex-MILW line that has a similar bridge - may even be in another state.  Contact the trail organization and find out who did the inspection and rating of the bridges for the trail - most funding agencies require that as a condition of providing the $, so it doesn't go to waste. 

Or contact any of the major consulting engineering firms, and see if they have a railroad bridge practice in the US Northwest.  After a few contacts you'll have some names and firms to approach to see if they're interested. 

- PDN. 

"This Fascinating Railroad Business" (title of 1943 book by Robert Selph Henry of the AAR)
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Posted by 2010Challenger on Monday, October 16, 2017 8:28 PM

It's going to be interesting here in the Toledo area over the next couple of years, we have one bridge, the old and rapidly deteriorating Toledo Terminal RR "Upper River Swing Bridge" is raining rust down on boaters brave enough to go underneath it, and makes some scary noises when it's windy. It's a swing bridge, but never had the gearbox installed. It was damaged in 1982 from a derailment. The tracks to and from it are long gone, and it's supposed to be removed next year, or maybe in '19, I keep hearing both years. I wonder how much rust falls off of it every day. A friend of mine went under it last month, and his boat was covered with rust dust and the creaking was scary. I'm going to miss it, I grew up a few houses down from it and watched thousands of trains pass over it. But it's been dead a long time and the corpse needs to go.

And the other one is the former NYC/PC/Conrail "NS Swing Bridge" that's getting pretty cranky in it's old (111 years young) age, and is supposedly on "the top of the list" for replacement for a while now. The rumors about it's replacement are endless. It has a lot of traffic over it, so it's going to be interesting to see where it's diverted to and for how long it will take to do it.

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Posted by JC from Ct. on Tuesday, October 17, 2017 7:47 AM

There is a bridge over the Merritt Parkway in Trumbull, Ct., for a rail line (Bridgeport to Danbury, I think) that was abandoned about the time the highway was built (in the 1930s).  I read somewhere that no train ever crossed the bridge.  It is a sturdy enough looking bridge, but I have wondered why it was never removed.  The rest of the right of way has been obliterated for decades, so there is no "rail trail" use there.

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Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, October 17, 2017 10:43 AM

2010Challenger

It's going to be interesting here in the Toledo area over the next couple of years, we have one bridge, the old and rapidly deteriorating Toledo Terminal RR "Upper River Swing Bridge" is raining rust down on boaters brave enough to go underneath it, and makes some scary noises when it's windy. It's a swing bridge, but never had the gearbox installed. It was damaged in 1982 from a derailment. The tracks to and from it are long gone, and it's supposed to be removed next year, or maybe in '19, I keep hearing both years. I wonder how much rust falls off of it every day. A friend of mine went under it last month, and his boat was covered with rust dust and the creaking was scary. I'm going to miss it, I grew up a few houses down from it and watched thousands of trains pass over it. But it's been dead a long time and the corpse needs to go.

And the other one is the former NYC/PC/Conrail "NS Swing Bridge" that's getting pretty cranky in it's old (111 years young) age, and is supposedly on "the top of the list" for replacement for a while now. The rumors about it's replacement are endless. It has a lot of traffic over it, so it's going to be interesting to see where it's diverted to and for how long it will take to do it.

 

The Toledo folks had best bone-up on their responsibilities as a trail owner under the NITU process. Removing the bridge potentially could lose them the trail, depending on the color of title of the R/W (and CSX could be laughing all the way to the bank with $2.65 million of free money. ) Severance happens.

In the case of both bridges, a major player unmentioned is the USACE. If the Corps of Engineers does not approve of what you are doing with a bridge, even removing it, nothing is going to happen. They call the shots, not state or local government. NS has probably been jumping through hoops for years on doing things, possibly back into the Conrail era.

Toledo has been a headache in the past because of its narrow gage past creating problems in a standard gage world.

 

Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west
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Posted by MidlandMike on Tuesday, October 17, 2017 8:08 PM

2010Challenger

It's going to be interesting here in the Toledo area over the next couple of years, we have one bridge, the old and rapidly deteriorating Toledo Terminal RR "Upper River Swing Bridge" ...

 

Is that the bridge along-side the Ohio Turnpike acrosss the Maumee ?

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