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[quote user="Poppa_Zit"][quote user="TheAntiGates"] The  land wasn't "free",  it was stolen from the Native Americans [/quote] And they came from where, got it how, and from whom? I seriously doubt there were any indigenous people on this land mass. The so-called Native Americans were here before the Europeans showed up, [/quote] At least the "so called" native americans did not take the land under force or duress when they originally occupied it. Yes, I consider euro-occupation of North America to be a "stolen" presence. [quote user="Poppa_Zit"]   and therefore having such claiming rights. [/quote] My my, now THERE is convenient thinking , if ever there was such a case. I'm sure you, Pizarro, and the whole "manifest destiny" bunch  could have had an orgy of self indulgence with that one. First possession might indicate otherwise. Seems like even the hucksters who bartered trinkets and beads for manhattan island had a more ethical view than the one you propose
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