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[quote user="vsmith"][quote user="Bucyrus"][quote user="vsmith"] <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The simple unavoidable facts are ...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>FACT global atmospheric temperatures ARE rising</DIV> <DIV>FACT global ocean temperatures ARE rising</DIV> <DIV>FACT mountain glaciers worldwide ARE receding- fast</DIV> <DIV>FACT polar ice caps ARE receding</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>[/quote]</DIV> <P> </P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I don’t have any problem believing that there is a climatic warming trend underway.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>The climate changes just as the seasons change.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>Everything on earth changes all the time.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>Even the continents are in motion.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff>But it is a giant leap of faith to believe that our lifestyles are causing this current warming trend.</FONT><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN><FONT color=#ff0000>It is also a giant leap of faith to assume that the current trend is going to completely destroy the planet in a few dozen years.</FONT><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"> <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></P> <P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">There is a lot of talk of people having their heads in the sand for not rising to the alarm.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>I would submit that one must have their head in the sand to miss the absurdity of the two abovementioned leaps of faith.</SPAN></P> <DIV>[/quote]</DIV> <DIV>Excuse me?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please go back and read the whole post, I never stated anything of the like. You're simply reading that into it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just where do I infer those two conclusions? I specificly stated that the CAUSE is not the issue, but that its the REALITY that changes ARE occuring is the issue and WHAT will we do as a people to deal with it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Climates change, Yes. The the big difference between now and the last big climate warming is that we were not around and now about a billion people living on the coastlines in major cities here in the US and around the world, your conveniently ignoring that, try thinking about the possible repercusions in the long term. Oceans rise and fall, but where in the past animals would simply move inland as the waters rose, we over the last 5000 years have built our biggest cities that are also some of our biggest economic generators.  Can you imaging giving the enormous impact if we have to abandon the coastlines for in some places (Louisiana, Florida)  hundreds of miles inland? Think about what would happen to global shipping, economics and trade, let alone peoples lives and investments like real estate. Some entire nations will simply dissappear if the worst thats predicted comes to pass. I havent even talked about weather pattern shifts which will also have an impact globaly. So please THINK!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe when the rising waters reach your front door THEN maybe you'll admit something bad is going on....I guess until then, enjoy the sandbox...</DIV> <P>[/quote]</P> <P> </P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I agree that you did not address the cause, but the cause is centerpiece of the current global warming debate.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>The whole premise of the issue is that man’s use of fossil fuel is causing catastrophic destruction the planet, and that the only remedy is for mankind to change its energy production and consumption.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>You may not have said it, but it is inseparable from the topic.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>In fact, if it were not for the belief that global warming is caused by man, I doubt there would even be a debate.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"> </P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">While you did not mention the cause, you have certainly stated the assumed effect with your examples above and your exhortation for me to admit that, "something bad is going on."<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>I contend that both the effect of global warming and the cause are irrational leaps of faith with very little evidence, let alone proof.</SPAN></P>
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