Metro North, CDOT and others

[Supermicha]

Hi..
Can anyone explain me the connections between cdot and metro north commuter railroad? are they the same, who operates the fl9 and the p32´s, what is MTA? I like to model North Eats commuter rails but i don´t know what is what. I have seen Metro North Locos with CDOT Cars, what happened there?

Thanks, Michael from Germany

[Supermicha]

Hi..
Can anyone explain me the connections between cdot and metro north commuter railroad? are they the same, who operates the fl9 and the p32´s, what is MTA? I like to model North Eats commuter rails but i don´t know what is what. I have seen Metro North Locos with CDOT Cars, what happened there?

Thanks, Michael from Germany

[jchnhtfd]

Hmm. Well, it's just a little bit complicated... Metro North. Is New York City's heavy rail transit authority. Technically, it operates all of the commuter lines out of Grand Central Station, New York City which go to Westchester and Duchess Counties in New York State. Historically, these are the commuter services which were operated by the New York Central Railroad. 'CDOT' is the State of Connecticut Department of Transportation. They don't actually operate anything. What they do do is subsidise the commuter rail service into Connecticut -- particularly Fairfield County (the southwest corner), but also to Waterbury and New Haven and even some service ('Shore Line East') as far as Saybrook. They also own quite a bit of the equipment used on those services -- all (or most) of the cars (both MU and coaches) and most of the engines. In general, Connecticut trains use CDOT equipment, but it isn't an iron-clad rule, particularly with engines -- which is where a Metro North engine can be seen with CDOT cars. As you probably know, service into Grand Central is electric. Service on Metro North is mostly electric, but north of Brewster it is diesel. Similarly, most of the CDOT service is electric, but the New Canaan, Danbury, and Waterbury lines are diesel. Shore Line East (east of New Haven) could be electric, but is usually diesel. The FL9s were -- and are -- fascinating engines which combined electric and diesel. They were used by and owned by both Metro North and CDOT. They were originally owned by New York Central, and used in service on first class trains as far as Renssalaer (Albany), as well as more local service. The P32s are a replacement. Much less interesting...

MTA is the New York City Metropolitan Transit Authority. Both subway service and bus service is their game, and they do it very well indeed.

This all help any?

jamie

[jchnhtfd]

Hmm. Well, it's just a little bit complicated... Metro North. Is New York City's heavy rail transit authority. Technically, it operates all of the commuter lines out of Grand Central Station, New York City which go to Westchester and Duchess Counties in New York State. Historically, these are the commuter services which were operated by the New York Central Railroad. 'CDOT' is the State of Connecticut Department of Transportation. They don't actually operate anything. What they do do is subsidise the commuter rail service into Connecticut -- particularly Fairfield County (the southwest corner), but also to Waterbury and New Haven and even some service ('Shore Line East') as far as Saybrook. They also own quite a bit of the equipment used on those services -- all (or most) of the cars (both MU and coaches) and most of the engines. In general, Connecticut trains use CDOT equipment, but it isn't an iron-clad rule, particularly with engines -- which is where a Metro North engine can be seen with CDOT cars. As you probably know, service into Grand Central is electric. Service on Metro North is mostly electric, but north of Brewster it is diesel. Similarly, most of the CDOT service is electric, but the New Canaan, Danbury, and Waterbury lines are diesel. Shore Line East (east of New Haven) could be electric, but is usually diesel. The FL9s were -- and are -- fascinating engines which combined electric and diesel. They were used by and owned by both Metro North and CDOT. They were originally owned by New York Central, and used in service on first class trains as far as Renssalaer (Albany), as well as more local service. The P32s are a replacement. Much less interesting...

MTA is the New York City Metropolitan Transit Authority. Both subway service and bus service is their game, and they do it very well indeed.

This all help any?

jamie

[Supermicha]

Yes, that helps as well. Thank you very much. But my last question is, what has Metro North to do with MTA? I wonder, why the MNCR locos also have the MTA logo on the side.


Micha

[Supermicha]

Yes, that helps as well. Thank you very much. But my last question is, what has Metro North to do with MTA? I wonder, why the MNCR locos also have the MTA logo on the side.


Micha

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

The FL9's were originally owned by NH and used primarily in passenger service between New York and Boston. They were built to eliminate the engine change at New Haven and ease the load on the railroad-owned power plant in peak periods. They did not go into New York-Albany service until Amtrak.
MNCR is the railroad operating arm of the MTA. We have a similar arrangement in the Chicago area with the RTA and Metra.
Shore Line East is strictly a diesel operation as its existence predates the extension of the electrification from New Haven to Boston.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

The FL9's were originally owned by NH and used primarily in passenger service between New York and Boston. They were built to eliminate the engine change at New Haven and ease the load on the railroad-owned power plant in peak periods. They did not go into New York-Albany service until Amtrak.
MNCR is the railroad operating arm of the MTA. We have a similar arrangement in the Chicago area with the RTA and Metra.
Shore Line East is strictly a diesel operation as its existence predates the extension of the electrification from New Haven to Boston.

[dmoore74]

A couple of corrections. The New Canaan line in CT is electrified, not diesel powered.
Also the FL-9's were originally owned by the New Haven RR. Some moved on to former New York Central rails after the Penn Central merger. They also served in the Albany/NYC corridor well in to the 1990's.

[dmoore74]

A couple of corrections. The New Canaan line in CT is electrified, not diesel powered.
Also the FL-9's were originally owned by the New Haven RR. Some moved on to former New York Central rails after the Penn Central merger. They also served in the Albany/NYC corridor well in to the 1990's.

[jchnhtfd]

Sorry about the FL-9 error, guys. Brain Fade. You are all quite correct!

[jchnhtfd]

Sorry about the FL-9 error, guys. Brain Fade. You are all quite correct!

[oltmannd]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Supermicha

Yes, that helps as well. Thank you very much. But my last question is, what has Metro North to do with MTA? I wonder, why the MNCR locos also have the MTA logo on the side.


Micha

MTA is the parent organization of both MNCR and the TA (New York City Transit Authority - subways and busses). MTA is also the parent of the Long Island RR, but there is to be a merger of the managment of the LIRR and MNCR.

[oltmannd]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Supermicha

Yes, that helps as well. Thank you very much. But my last question is, what has Metro North to do with MTA? I wonder, why the MNCR locos also have the MTA logo on the side.


Micha

MTA is the parent organization of both MNCR and the TA (New York City Transit Authority - subways and busses). MTA is also the parent of the Long Island RR, but there is to be a merger of the managment of the LIRR and MNCR.