Let's Talk Bodies!

[Mookie]

Gottcha![:D]

Need a very simple explanation - I keep reading "carbody" and "cowl body".

I do know what they called "covered wagons", but these two escape me.

Keep in mind - what I see are BNSF - so if you can give it to me in those terms, I would appreciate it. If not, I will go look in the old "pitchur book".

Jen/Mook/Madam Da Mook/Whatever

[Mookie]

Gottcha![:D]

Need a very simple explanation - I keep reading "carbody" and "cowl body".

I do know what they called "covered wagons", but these two escape me.

Keep in mind - what I see are BNSF - so if you can give it to me in those terms, I would appreciate it. If not, I will go look in the old "pitchur book".

Jen/Mook/Madam Da Mook/Whatever

[BentnoseWillie]

"Carbody" and "cowl" units are fully enclosed with no outside walkways.

In a normal "hood" unit, there are walkways down each side of the engine, and the hoods are just that. They're only enclosures. All the structural strength is in the sills and below.

In a "full carbody" unit, the body is part of the structue of the locomotive, through trusses incorporated into the sides. The E units and F units - the "covered wagons" you refer to were built thus. This is part of why the CF7 looked funny - Santa Fe's shop had to add new beams to the side sills to replace the strength lost when the F unit's carbody and its trusses were removed.

A "cowl" has no external walkways either, but the body isn't structural - it's just a full-width enclosure. Examples of this are:

The F40PH
the P30CH, P40 and P42
the FP45/F45
the SDP40F
SD50s, SD60s, and C40-8s sold in Canada in the 1980s

Basically, a "cowl" unit is a hood unit with the walkways under the hoods.

Sorry, I don't have photos handy.

[BentnoseWillie]

"Carbody" and "cowl" units are fully enclosed with no outside walkways.

In a normal "hood" unit, there are walkways down each side of the engine, and the hoods are just that. They're only enclosures. All the structural strength is in the sills and below.

In a "full carbody" unit, the body is part of the structue of the locomotive, through trusses incorporated into the sides. The E units and F units - the "covered wagons" you refer to were built thus. This is part of why the CF7 looked funny - Santa Fe's shop had to add new beams to the side sills to replace the strength lost when the F unit's carbody and its trusses were removed.

A "cowl" has no external walkways either, but the body isn't structural - it's just a full-width enclosure. Examples of this are:

The F40PH
the P30CH, P40 and P42
the FP45/F45
the SDP40F
SD50s, SD60s, and C40-8s sold in Canada in the 1980s

Basically, a "cowl" unit is a hood unit with the walkways under the hoods.

Sorry, I don't have photos handy.

[eolafan]

Hey B-Dubya, very good explanation! Nice job.

[eolafan]

Hey B-Dubya, very good explanation! Nice job.

[zardoz]

Mookie-
When I saw the title of this post I could not help but wonder where you were going with it. Once again I thought for sure you were heading in a different direction. Got me![;)]

[zardoz]

Mookie-
When I saw the title of this post I could not help but wonder where you were going with it. Once again I thought for sure you were heading in a different direction. Got me![;)]

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz1

Mookie-
When I saw the title of this post I could not help but wonder where you were going with it. Once again I thought for sure you were heading in a different direction. Got me![;)]

[:D] Mookie laughs!

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz1

Mookie-
When I saw the title of this post I could not help but wonder where you were going with it. Once again I thought for sure you were heading in a different direction. Got me![;)]

[:D] Mookie laughs!

[sooblue]

I love looking at bodies as long as the bumps are in the right places.
I am in love with the full bodies. The only thing better would be if they were makin steam.
Sooblue

[sooblue]

I love looking at bodies as long as the bumps are in the right places.
I am in love with the full bodies. The only thing better would be if they were makin steam.
Sooblue

[Soo2610]

QUOTE: Originally posted by sooblue

I love looking at bodies as long as the bumps are in the right places.
I am in love with the full bodies. The only thing better would be if they were makin steam.
Sooblue

I likewise wondered where this was going. Never figured I'd have to deal with double meanings on this web page.
Jen, you are just full of mischief!

[Soo2610]

QUOTE: Originally posted by sooblue

I love looking at bodies as long as the bumps are in the right places.
I am in love with the full bodies. The only thing better would be if they were makin steam.
Sooblue

I likewise wondered where this was going. Never figured I'd have to deal with double meanings on this web page.
Jen, you are just full of mischief!

[edblysard]

You know, streamliners are fun to look at, but I prefer a full body, built for comfort, not speed.
Much better ride.[:D]
Ed

QUOTE: Originally posted by sooblue

I love looking at bodies as long as the bumps are in the right places.
I am in love with the full bodies. The only thing better would be if they were makin steam.
Sooblue

[edblysard]

You know, streamliners are fun to look at, but I prefer a full body, built for comfort, not speed.
Much better ride.[:D]
Ed

QUOTE: Originally posted by sooblue

I love looking at bodies as long as the bumps are in the right places.
I am in love with the full bodies. The only thing better would be if they were makin steam.
Sooblue

[Anonymous]

Ed, are those 4 strokers or 2 strokers[?][?][?][:p][:p][:p]

[Anonymous]

Ed, are those 4 strokers or 2 strokers[?][?][?][:p][:p][:p]

[zardoz]

Yea, that Jen is a real trouble-maker [:D].

I, for one, am very glad she contributes to this forum. [^]

[zardoz]

Yea, that Jen is a real trouble-maker [:D].

I, for one, am very glad she contributes to this forum. [^]

[edblysard]

It's not the number of strokes that counts, it's the length of the connecting rod that's important.[:D]
Stay Frosty,
or steamy, either one works,
Ed

QUOTE: Originally posted by emeraldisle

Ed, are those 4 strokers or 2 strokers[?][?][?][:p][:p][:p]

[edblysard]

It's not the number of strokes that counts, it's the length of the connecting rod that's important.[:D]
Stay Frosty,
or steamy, either one works,
Ed

QUOTE: Originally posted by emeraldisle

Ed, are those 4 strokers or 2 strokers[?][?][?][:p][:p][:p]

[Anonymous]

[:D][:D]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

It's not the number of strokes that counts, it's the length of the connecting rod that's important.[:D]
Stay Frosty,
or steamy, either one works,

Oh ya, thats good, very good[^][^][^][^][:D][:D][:D]

[Anonymous]

[:D][:D]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

It's not the number of strokes that counts, it's the length of the connecting rod that's important.[:D]
Stay Frosty,
or steamy, either one works,

Oh ya, thats good, very good[^][^][^][^][:D][:D][:D]

[Soo2610]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

It's not the number of strokes that counts, it's the length of the connecting rod that's important.[:D]
Stay Frosty,
or steamy, either one works,
Ed

QUOTE: Originally posted by emeraldisle

Ed, are those 4 strokers or 2 strokers[?][?][?][:p][:p][:p]

Thanks for the laugh Ed![}:)][}:)][}:)][;)][:I]

[Soo2610]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

It's not the number of strokes that counts, it's the length of the connecting rod that's important.[:D]
Stay Frosty,
or steamy, either one works,
Ed

QUOTE: Originally posted by emeraldisle

Ed, are those 4 strokers or 2 strokers[?][?][?][:p][:p][:p]

Thanks for the laugh Ed![}:)][}:)][}:)][;)][:I]

[Mookie]

Edward!

But just to join in the frivolity - some of us are built for comfort and not speed!

Jen

[Mookie]

Edward!

But just to join in the frivolity - some of us are built for comfort and not speed!

Jen