Replica Locomotives??

[Anonymous]

If the Money and the Technology were in place, what Long-Scrapped Locomotive (s) would you recreate to fill in gaps of Not Preserved in Time Engines?

Is this a Good Idea? or is 'A Replica just a Replica!"

[chad thomas]

I would say it would be a toss up between a SP cab forward and a UP big boy.[8D]

And speaking of cab forwards... What would it take to make the one in Old Town Sacramento run again? Cosmeticly it's a great looking loco.[8D]

[Anonymous]

Chad Thomas, sounds like a plan!!!!![8D]

[chad thomas]

QUOTE: Originally posted by rgroeling

Chad Thomas, sounds like a plan!!!!![8D]

BTW- You can call me Chad.[;)]

[vsmith]

how about an NYC Hudson?

Personally it would be a British "Dean" Single from the late 19th century, one of the most beautiful engines ever built..

[Anonymous]

Why thank you, Chad. [:)]

[M636C]

QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

how about an NYC Hudson?

Personally it would be a British "Dean" Single from the late 19th century, one of the most beautiful engines ever built..

There was a Dean Single replica built for display at the old Windsor railway station. It used an original tender found on a weedkiller train but was ortherwise a shell carried on the bogie and trailing wheels, with dummy driving wheels that were just clear of the track.

The display closed down and I think the station was incorporated in a shopping centre, but I think the loco replica was retained, but I'm not sure.

I would think that a New York Central streamlined Hudson would be my choice - now do I want a "Twentieth Century" or an "Empire State" loco (can I have both?)

M636C

[espeefoamer]

I would go for an SP AC9 articulated [8D].

[Kurn]

If I won zillions in the lottery,I would be building a B&O EM-1.Then if I had any left I'd build a Cincinnatian trainset with a replica 5302 pulling it.

[Anonymous]

How about a Pennsy T-1, or one of Boston and Maine's 4-8-2 Mountains, or a Western Maryland I-2 class 2-10-0?

[CSXrules4eva]

If I had the money, time, and resourses I would would bring back the C&O Allegheny
2-6-6-6!!!! Most Certainly one of my all time favorites.

[Anonymous]

This is a no-brainer. If time and money allowed, I'd buil either a replica 4-8-4 Northern or a 4-8-8-4 Big Boy. As you can obviously tell, I'm pretty partial to the heavy hualers of the UP.

[GP-9_Man11786]

I would bring back the GG1.

[tree68]

Given some backing, this could be a real business - building replicas of locomotives. It would accomplish many things.

First - we'd get to see locomotives in steam that many of us never saw.

Second - they would be built with state of the art materials and technologies. This is a double bonus since they would be inherently safer than a 100 year old original, and might allay some fears of insurers.

Third - A shop capable of manufacturing the parts necessary would also be able to support those orginal locomotives still in steam.

Fourth - it would allow us to retire and preserve some true treasures before something bad happens to them.

Given the emerging technology of the Green Goat, it's possible that a booster could be built into a tender or "auxiliary tender" to help eliminate the need for a protection diesel in many cases.

Would railfans and the public accept a replica vs an original? I suspect that a virtual twin of any of the locomotives already mentioned would draw just as big a crowd. Preservationists might appreciate that we aren't facing the possible destruction of an artifact of the steam age, all the while celebrating steam nonetheless.

Tickets going on sale for a ride behind an NYC Mohawk, built to blueprint. LIne forms to the right... Gee Whiz! You don't have to push! We'll run an extra section if we need to!

[Anonymous]

C&NW Class H or H1

[Gluefinger]

QUOTE: Originally posted by KG1960

C&NW Class H or H1

Hear, hear!!

[nanaimo73]

I'd bring a Niagara and a T1 back, put both through a series of tests, and then celebrate with the Central fans.

[locomutt]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CSXrules4eva

If I had the money, time, and resourses I would would bring back the C&O Allegheny
2-6-6-6!!!! Most Certainly one of my all time favorites.

I have to agree with Sarah,this would be a "Great" locomotive to ride the rails.

But lets not forget some of C & Os other ones,such as :
Their G-7,G-9 class 2-8-0s with Vandy tenders,K-2 "Mikes"
the 2-10-4s,and the other H class;H1>H6 2-6-6-2s,H7s 2-8-8-2s.
Then there are ALWAYS the ones you could find around;
the 0-8-0s and the 0-10-0s

[Tulyar15]

Here in Britain, building replica locos seems to be a growth industry. I think TRAINS has reported about the new LNER A1 Pacific being built ; it turns out some of the people involved with this are also building a replica of a North Eastern Railway G5 0-4-4T. The Swanage Railway are also building a replica of the British Rail "Clan" 4-6-2. Only 10 of these were built; an order for a further 15 including some for the Southern Region (why on earth the SR needed more pacifics when it already had more than it knew what to do with!). The Swanage Railway "Clan" will carry the name and number of the first one that was intended for use on the Southern ie #72010 "Hengist".

Some time ago the Midland Railway Trust acquired a pair of bogies from a scrapped EM2 electric loco with the intention of using these to build a replica of the LMS Diesel loco #10000 (the first main line diesel loco to run in Britain) but nothing more has been heard of this project.

Were I to win the lottey, I think I'd buy a couple of old class 40 bogies (I think some still survive as snowploughs) and build a replica of the Southern Diesels which employed the same bogies and were the forerunners of the class 40's. As for steam loco's, I think a HIghland Railway (Scotland) "Castle" and "River" 4-6-0 would be nice as would a Stanier Turbomotive ( a steam turbine 4-6-2). Perhaps also a replica of the Great Western "Great Bear" Pacific - the first Pacific to run in Britain.

[selector]

A Hudson would be sweet, and I would support the idea of a Niagara. For me, CPR #9000 2-10-4, as modified with its three-sectioned boiler, 1600psi transfer system, and booster.

Finally, a PRR J-1.

As it is, CPR 2816 Royal Hudson is well on its way to running excursions again next spring. I'll settle for that...I guess.

[kenneo]

The original articulated locomotive to run in the US was the 0-6-6-0 "Old Maud" of the B & O. Built about the same time were were 10 copies for the Denver and Salt Lake (200-210), but they didn't want to stay on the track over Tolland during the winter months. So, the DSL added a bit of a front porch and a pilot axel making these locomotives 2-6-6-0's. These locomotives survived into WW2 with the loss of only one locomotive descending "The Giants Ladder" on the 4% above Winter Park .

With their modification, these are sweet looking locomotives.

[tatans]

Am I not reading this question proprerly? do you mean recreate a new locomotive to replace a scrapped loco of which there are no examples left?? or build a new engine of an already existing steam loco?? would it not be cheaper to take an existing steam loco and refurbish it to running condition as has been done in the past? (mind you, not enough have been restored) I'm now more confused, thanks

[Anonymous]

Interesting topic - I'd question what constitutes a replica though. For example, the Clan class 4-6-2 that Tulyar15 mentioned will be following on from the original batch of them, using the same plans and taking the name of the next in line to be built when they were cancelled. I'd say this is a new build rather than a replica because of this.

Also unsure about the replica FT idea - According to this site http://www.thedieselshop.us/PRSVDemdFs.HTML there are still surviving original FTA and B units, including the #103 that started it all off - surely restoring those to working order would be better than building replicas? EMD seem pretty good at building their locos to use common parts so it shouldn't be too difficult assuming the carbodies are in good shape.

[jchnhtfd]

Oh my... let me think. Yes, one of the NYC Hudsons... or a Niagara (with better boiler steel!). But how about one of the Milwaukee 4-4-4 streamliners built for the Hiawatha? Then it might be possible to find out what they really could do in terms of speed, and lay the legends to rest!

[CANADIANPACIFIC2816]

If I could build a couple steam locomotives using the original blueprints and specifications, I would opt to build a CB&Q M-4 class 2-10-4 and a T-2 class 2-6+6-2 from the same road. This class was operated by the Burlington Route in the Black Hills of South Dakota until the very early 1950's. All engines from both classes were scrapped. The Black Hills Central, which operates over a portion of the old Burlington Route's line in the Black Hills, is operating a 2-6+6-2 tank engine, originally built in 1928 by Baldwin for Weyerhauser Lumber, and it is the only steamer of this particular wheel arrangement operating anywhere in the northern hemisphere.

CANADIANPACIFIC2816

[BR60103]

I've always liked the streamlined loco that C&O built for the Chessie pasenger train that never ran.

[Tulyar15]

QUOTE: Originally posted by tatans

Am I not reading this question proprerly? do you mean recreate a new locomotive to replace a scrapped loco of which there are no examples left?? or build a new engine of an already existing steam loco?? would it not be cheaper to take an existing steam loco and refurbish it to running condition as has been done in the past? (mind you, not enough have been restored) I'm now more confused, thanks

Sometimes it is cheaper to build a new loco than overhaul a worn out one. The Ffestiniog Railway in Wales has done this on a number of occassions. They built a new Double Fairlie loco, "Earl of Merioneth" to replace a worn out one in 1977; the old one "Livngstone Thompson" is now on display in the National Railway Museum. More recently the FR have built another new Double Fairlie "David Lloyd George" in 1992 and a new single Fairlie "Tailiesin" in 2000. The FR prides itself on having what it claims is the oldest working steam loco in the world in regular use (No. 2 "Prince" built in 1863). But "Prince" has been rebuilt so many times in his 140 year life that he's a but like Robert the Bruce's battleaxe - 9 new blades and 8 new handles!

One reason why the Corris Railway, also in Wales, opted to build a new steam loco was that their restricted loading guage (like the FR!) meant it would be easier to build a new loco from scratch than to rebuild a Polish 2' 6" gauge loco they had thought about acquiring. In their case, they would freely admit that their new loco is new build rather than a strict copy as it incorporates most of the changes the Tal-y-llyn have made to former Corris Railway No. 4 "Edward Thomas" ("Peter Sam" in the Thomas the Tank Engine stories) on which it is based.

[edbenton]

For me it would have to be a Santa Fe 2-10-10-2 built in the early 20's just to make teh UP mad and have the Largest Steam engine again or the Erie triplex 2-8-8-8-2 but make them smple compunds instead of Mallets