Originally posted by Jack_S Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Friday, September 30, 2005 10:39 AM Horseshoe Curve, PA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=17&X=892&Y=5607&W=1&qs=%7cgallitzin%7c%7c Muleshoe Curve, PA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=13&Z=17&X=444&Y=2798&W=1&qs=%7cgallitzin%7c%7c Caliente, CA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=11&X=439&Y=4882&W=1&qs=%7ccaliente%7c%7c Woodford-Walong, CA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=11&X=450&Y=4870&W=1&qs=%7cwoodford%7ccalifornia%7c Dunsmuir, CA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=13&Z=10&X=349&Y=2854&W=1&qs=%7cdunsmuir%7ccalifornia%7c Frazier, OR http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=14&Z=10&X=174&Y=1510&W=1&qs=%7cfrazier%7coregon%7c Dale Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, September 30, 2005 11:34 AM Nanaimo....You really do have a large basket of info and generally always correct....Thanks for making it so easy....I've been to both of these Pennsylvania horseshoe curves on the ground and appreciate them for what they are and how interesting they are to me as an engineering interest. Hope the others that want to see them will see your post and use it to find them....They sure are interesting. This time of the year or at least in a few weeks the fall colors will be spectactular in those areas too. Quentin Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,567 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, September 30, 2005 6:37 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by nanaimo73 Horseshoe Curve, PA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=17&X=892&Y=5607&W=1&qs=%7cgallitzin%7c%7c Muleshoe Curve, PA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=13&Z=17&X=444&Y=2798&W=1&qs=%7cgallitzin%7c%7c Caliente, CA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=11&X=439&Y=4882&W=1&qs=%7ccaliente%7c%7c Woodford-Walong, CA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=11&X=450&Y=4870&W=1&qs=%7cwoodford%7ccalifornia%7c Dunsmuir, CA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=13&Z=10&X=349&Y=2854&W=1&qs=%7cdunsmuir%7ccalifornia%7c Frazier, OR http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=14&Z=10&X=174&Y=1510&W=1&qs=%7cfrazier%7coregon%7c Ding! Ding! We have a winner![:D] Can you help us find the one in Britain mentioned on the British Railways thread? It's on the Liskead-Looe line in Cornwall. (Whatever that means[;)]). Any horseshoe curves near Nanaimo? Thanks Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,567 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, September 30, 2005 9:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by nanaimo73 Horseshoe Curve, PA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=17&X=892&Y=5607&W=1&qs=%7cgallitzin%7c%7c Muleshoe Curve, PA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=13&Z=17&X=444&Y=2798&W=1&qs=%7cgallitzin%7c%7c Caliente, CA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=11&X=439&Y=4882&W=1&qs=%7ccaliente%7c%7c Woodford-Walong, CA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=11&X=450&Y=4870&W=1&qs=%7cwoodford%7ccalifornia%7c Dunsmuir, CA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=13&Z=10&X=349&Y=2854&W=1&qs=%7cdunsmuir%7ccalifornia%7c Frazier, OR http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=14&Z=10&X=174&Y=1510&W=1&qs=%7cfrazier%7coregon%7c Am I seeing this correctly: The line that had *muleshow curve* intersected the PRR at Tunnelhill, PA?.. Was the abandoned line part of PRR too? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, September 30, 2005 9:53 PM ...Yes and yes....'to answer M S questions....The Muleshoe Curve line was constructed by the State of Pa. and in the later years was owned by the Pennsylvania RR as a secondary line up and over {thru}, that range of the Allegheney Mts. Some years ago the relocation of highway Rt. 22 was positioned on part of the "New Portage route"...with the M S Curve....on the east slope of that mt. range...but the Muleshoe Curve part of it is still in place as a ROW...and as I understand it...now a trail. I have not been on it since it has been a trail. Quentin Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,567 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, September 30, 2005 9:57 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ...Yes and yes....'to answer M S questions....The Muleshow Curve line was constructed by the State of Pa. and in the later years was owned by the Pennsylvania RR as a secondary line up and over {thru}, that range of the Allegheney Mts. Some years ago the relocation of highway Rt. 22 was positioned on part of the "New Portage route"...with the M S Curve....on the east slope of that mt. range...but the Muleshoe Curve part of it is still in place as a ROW...and as I understand it...now a trail. I have not been on it since it has been a trail. Now that's interesting. Why did the state of Pennsylvania construct a railroad line? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, September 30, 2005 10:11 PM ....I'm sure others may have more details on this but it is my understanding it was constructed to complete a total railroad route up and over the Allegheny mountain range to get transportation moving between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh across the state...An economic decision so the state would not lose out to other routes of commerce. The first route used railroads, canals, and inclines where vehicles were pulled up slopes with stationery engines, etc.....Cumbersome operations. Quentin Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,567 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, September 30, 2005 11:07 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....I'm sure others may have more details on this but it is my understanding it was constructed to complete a total railroad route up and over the Allegheny mountain range to get transportation moving between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh across the state...An economic decision so the state would not lose out to other routes of commerce. The first route used railroads, canals, and inclines where vehicles were pulled up slopes with stationery engines, etc.....Cumbersome operations. Was this route built before the PRR? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, October 1, 2005 8:00 AM ...Oh boy....I'll go out on the limb a bit....I know Horseshoe was opened in 1854 and I believe the New Portage route was being constructed at about the same time but did not reach up and over until about a year hence....Believe that was the secquence...It does seem unusual why both the routes were persued almost simultaneously. As I'm writing I'm thinking back about the gradients of each route....Another limb: Horseshoe is roughly 1.8 and I'm thinking the New Portage may have been a tick lower {in number}, but really not sure. I never did ride up and over the Muleshoe route but have been around Horseshoe quite a few times. Quentin Reply BigJim Member sinceApril 2001 From: Roanoke, VA 2,015 posts Posted by BigJim on Saturday, October 1, 2005 2:12 PM There was one on the old Virginian with a picture being published in a book or two. The camera is looking at the rear of the caboose, high up on the grade, and the front of the engines, way down below. A really neat photo! . Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Saturday, October 1, 2005 2:52 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by nanaimo73 Horseshoe Curve, PA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=17&X=892&Y=5607&W=1&qs=%7cgallitzin%7c%7c Muleshoe Curve, PA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=13&Z=17&X=444&Y=2798&W=1&qs=%7cgallitzin%7c%7c Caliente, CA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=11&X=439&Y=4882&W=1&qs=%7ccaliente%7c%7c Woodford-Walong, CA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=11&X=450&Y=4870&W=1&qs=%7cwoodford%7ccalifornia%7c Dunsmuir, CA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=13&Z=10&X=349&Y=2854&W=1&qs=%7cdunsmuir%7ccalifornia%7c Frazier, OR http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=14&Z=10&X=174&Y=1510&W=1&qs=%7cfrazier%7coregon%7c Ding! Ding! We have a winner![:D] Can you help us find the one in Britain mentioned on the British Railways thread? It's on the Liskead-Looe line in Cornwall. (Whatever that means[;)]). Any horseshoe curves near Nanaimo? Thanks This site as a bloody map of yer horseshoe. Just look down a bit. http://www.paulcorinmusic.com/ You might like this as well laddy http://www.networkrail.co.uk/ Dale Reply broncoman Member sinceFebruary 2003 From: Gateway to Donner Summit 434 posts Posted by broncoman on Saturday, October 1, 2005 3:03 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by SP9033 QUOTE: Boy, is that one a doozy! Judging from the images on terraserver, that one has some fantastic twists & turns, and maybe a tunnel nearby? Thanks MS, Yes, after heading out of Stanford Curve it climbs to Andover and then the tracks go through tunnel 13 (track 1) and tunnel 42 (track 2) and then head to Shed 47. Then on to Eder where the original track one climbs up and over track two (abandon 1993). Track two heads into tunnel 41, since 1993 this is single track from shed 47 to Norden. Jim Jim how can you get there? By mountain bike or car. It looks like its on the back side of Squaw. Dave Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,567 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Saturday, October 1, 2005 3:03 PM Aye![oX)] There it is! (it's difficult to talk with a British accent on a message board)[(-D]. Thanks. Is there an international terraserver site? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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QUOTE: Originally posted by nanaimo73 Horseshoe Curve, PA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=17&X=892&Y=5607&W=1&qs=%7cgallitzin%7c%7c Muleshoe Curve, PA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=13&Z=17&X=444&Y=2798&W=1&qs=%7cgallitzin%7c%7c Caliente, CA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=11&X=439&Y=4882&W=1&qs=%7ccaliente%7c%7c Woodford-Walong, CA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=11&X=450&Y=4870&W=1&qs=%7cwoodford%7ccalifornia%7c Dunsmuir, CA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=13&Z=10&X=349&Y=2854&W=1&qs=%7cdunsmuir%7ccalifornia%7c Frazier, OR http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=14&Z=10&X=174&Y=1510&W=1&qs=%7cfrazier%7coregon%7c
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QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ...Yes and yes....'to answer M S questions....The Muleshow Curve line was constructed by the State of Pa. and in the later years was owned by the Pennsylvania RR as a secondary line up and over {thru}, that range of the Allegheney Mts. Some years ago the relocation of highway Rt. 22 was positioned on part of the "New Portage route"...with the M S Curve....on the east slope of that mt. range...but the Muleshoe Curve part of it is still in place as a ROW...and as I understand it...now a trail. I have not been on it since it has been a trail.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....I'm sure others may have more details on this but it is my understanding it was constructed to complete a total railroad route up and over the Allegheny mountain range to get transportation moving between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh across the state...An economic decision so the state would not lose out to other routes of commerce. The first route used railroads, canals, and inclines where vehicles were pulled up slopes with stationery engines, etc.....Cumbersome operations.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by nanaimo73 Horseshoe Curve, PA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=17&X=892&Y=5607&W=1&qs=%7cgallitzin%7c%7c Muleshoe Curve, PA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=13&Z=17&X=444&Y=2798&W=1&qs=%7cgallitzin%7c%7c Caliente, CA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=11&X=439&Y=4882&W=1&qs=%7ccaliente%7c%7c Woodford-Walong, CA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=11&X=450&Y=4870&W=1&qs=%7cwoodford%7ccalifornia%7c Dunsmuir, CA http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=13&Z=10&X=349&Y=2854&W=1&qs=%7cdunsmuir%7ccalifornia%7c Frazier, OR http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=14&Z=10&X=174&Y=1510&W=1&qs=%7cfrazier%7coregon%7c Ding! Ding! We have a winner![:D] Can you help us find the one in Britain mentioned on the British Railways thread? It's on the Liskead-Looe line in Cornwall. (Whatever that means[;)]). Any horseshoe curves near Nanaimo? Thanks
QUOTE: Originally posted by SP9033 QUOTE: Boy, is that one a doozy! Judging from the images on terraserver, that one has some fantastic twists & turns, and maybe a tunnel nearby? Thanks MS, Yes, after heading out of Stanford Curve it climbs to Andover and then the tracks go through tunnel 13 (track 1) and tunnel 42 (track 2) and then head to Shed 47. Then on to Eder where the original track one climbs up and over track two (abandon 1993). Track two heads into tunnel 41, since 1993 this is single track from shed 47 to Norden. Jim
QUOTE: Boy, is that one a doozy! Judging from the images on terraserver, that one has some fantastic twists & turns, and maybe a tunnel nearby? Thanks
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