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[quote]QUOTE: Originally posted by O.S. I wish I were as confident of the EJ&E's becoming a true belt line as you are, Dave. I'm just not seeing what you're seeing. The fundamental problem is that most of the yards are deep inside the EJ&E belt, will not and cannot move outside the belt for good economic reason, and once the traffic is beyond the belt, backtracking isn't going to happen -- not so much because of the added circuit length, but because it would require doubling of capacity on the main lines between the yards and the belt. In the meetings I attend in Chicago, the EJ&E is rarely even mentioned, and the CREATE project essentially doesn't include it. I agree that traffic will grow on the EJ&E, but not by leaps and bounds. There just aren't that many trains that arrive in Chicago that actually go through Chicago, untouched. OS [/quote] I'm not involved in the kind of stuff you are, so I don't know what the real plans are. I just think the ultimate resolution will be moving a lot of the traffic to the fringe areas, so it doesn't have to enter the city proper in the first place. This is what's happening in a lot of cities, not only with rail traffic, but truck as well. Logistics in Joliet is a good example of that. It may seem crazy to think it could happen on a large scale for now, but they said the same thing about the Alameda Corridor project out here in the Port of Los Angeles. It's simply unbelievable how much money has been spent to make the expansions that were needed, but they did do it. Also, if you look at how much RR traffic actually interchanged inside the city limits of L.A. even just 30 years ago, as compared to now... It's a tiny fraction. So I think it's possible. This is just pie in the sky, but I personally think the EJ&E should have built their own new classification yard on the West end, and also something like Logistics. Other small roads have benefited from the gamble of having a 'build it and they will come' attitude. I think that could have worked on some level for the EJ&E... But as was stated by someone before. USX is in the steel biz, not the rail biz. Dave -DPD Productions - Home of the TrainTenna RR Monitoring Antenna- http://eje.railfan.net/dpdp/
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