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[quote user="tree68"]I would opine that we can challenge the scientists. There have been indications that the "evidence" on which they have based their conclusions has been wrong, possibly even doctored. [/quote] How can you challenge with hearsay? That we know of mistakes, inconsistencies etc. is because peers have already challenged the theory with these arguments. What we do, we decide for ourselves whom we believe more. As far as I know the above problems are already corrected. Climate research is by far an exact science. There are a number of climate software models. Each gets tested against the hard known weather data. Results are quite different ranging from 2°K to 6°K temperature rise for the same time frame as far as I have read. [quote user="tree68"]A major issue is the politicization of the issue. People have set out to push forward agendas, many of which we may only be vaguely aware of.[/quote] When there is a problem like this looming someone with power has to take the lead. The scientist just can provide the evidence. In this case polititians have taken the lead. And now there is the fear they might profit or ask for higher taxes. On the other hand the industry might have taken the lead. Better? I don't think so but that is up to you to judge.  BTW I think the industry wouldn't have taken the lead. They would have protected their vested rights. Perhaps it is time to push the politics aside and judge the issue without this filter. In Germany the government doesn't pay any subsidies, the energy change is payed by the consumers through their energy bill. Yes, it costs but there is no money the government can spend otherwise. And we have as many employees in reneable energy industry as in coal mining and coal power generation in 1980. I admit it is a bit easier here. Our hard coal is too expensive to recover from a depth of 5,000 ft so the last mine will close in 2018. Now we have to get it of the dirty lignite coal. But their power plants are the only economical ones with occasional abundance of power and the renewable preference. Regards, Volker
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