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Beale AFB Railroad
Posted by ericsp on Wednesday, December 27, 2023 12:17 AM

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, December 27, 2023 2:03 AM

Griffiss AFB's railroad became largely unnecessary when they stopped burning coal to heat the base. 

A number of warehouses were set up to handle freight cars.  That practice had ended before I was assigned there.  The buildings were still referred to as "depots," in the supply sense.

GVT still uses the former USAF 44 tonner (still in USAF blue) at the former base to serve several industries there, and the ALCO S-1 is in the hands of the Adirondack RR (in ADKRR paint).

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Posted by caldreamer on Wednesday, December 27, 2023 6:38 AM

The Air Force did not mention that Beale Air Force Base was home to the SR-71 blackbird. It was the only domestic base to house the SR-71's.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Wednesday, December 27, 2023 9:08 AM

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The Air Force did not mention that Beale Air Force Base was home to the SR-71 blackbird. It was the only domestic base to house the SR-71's.

C'mon man, OPSEC!!! DevilBig Smile

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Posted by caldreamer on Wednesday, December 27, 2023 10:21 AM

The SR-71's have been retired for some time now.  I worked for the government for 38 years. I can still quote you the espionage laws (18 USC 591 thru 597) and the Internal Security Act of 1950 by heart. It was drummed into us.

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Posted by Erik_Mag on Wednesday, December 27, 2023 11:55 AM

FWIW, it was common knowledge that the SR-71's were based at Beale. The only time I saw an SR-71 in flight was in 1968 where it was passing over Carson City on the way to Beale AFB.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Wednesday, December 27, 2023 10:32 PM

Erik_Mag

FWIW, it was common knowledge that the SR-71's were based at Beale. The only time I saw an SR-71 in flight was in 1968 where it was passing over Carson City on the way to Beale AFB.

 

 
Also from the  Off Topic FWIW Dept: I'd offer the Boeing B-52 ...
A bomber designed in the post WWII era, and flown in its first iteraton as a B-52 A; FLEW FIRST, IN 1954, makes it a 59 year old, front line Bomber in its current B-52- H model.   
 
Many were built here in the Former Boeing Plant.(now Spirit Aviation) which many here, are familiar with, as the origin for all those fuselages of the B-737's(of various types) being sent by BNSF rail to be finished in the Seattle area.
  nAnd as an honorable mention for our old USAF planes; how about the Boeing KC-135 which was originally the B-707's, in its civilian entity.
  Still flying high. It first flew in the 1950's.   
 
 

 

 


 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, December 28, 2023 10:00 AM

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Also from the  Off Topic FWIW Dept: I'd offer the Boeing B-52 ...
A bomber designed in the post WWII era, and flown in its first iteraton as a B-52 A; FLEW FIRST, IN 1954, makes it a 59 year old, front line Bomber in its current B-52- H model.   
 
Many were built here in the Former Boeing Plant.(now Spirit Aviation) which many here, are familiar with, as the origin for all those fuselages of the B-737's(of various types) being sent by BNSF rail to be finished in the Seattle area.
  nAnd as an honorable mention for our old USAF planes; how about the Boeing KC-135 which was originally the B-707's, in its civilian entity.
  Still flying high. It first flew in the 1950's.   
 

 
Another old-timer would be the C-130.
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Posted by Backshop on Thursday, December 28, 2023 10:52 AM

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Another old-timer would be the C-130.
 

The difference is that while the KC135 and B52 haven't been produced in decades, new C130 models are still rolling off the production line.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Thursday, December 28, 2023 11:14 AM

caldreamer

The SR-71's have been retired for some time now.  I worked for the government for 38 years. I can still quote you the espionage laws (18 USC 591 thru 597) and the Internal Security Act of 1950 by heart. It was drummed into us.

I put emoji's next to the comment, I was joking.   Besides I can tell you as a former Monster dot com moderator the government has software and people to review social media posts using keywords to find the specific thread of interest.   So they probabably already focused in on this thread and someone is probably reviewing it as I write this.

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Posted by caldreamer on Thursday, December 28, 2023 1:21 PM

CMStPnP you are correct. The NSA swallows every piece of electronic data transmitted daily from around the world.  They do have software to look for specific key words and/or names that could constitute a direct or indirect threat to the US or its interests. That is how we got Osama Bin Ladin.  All of the rest is garbage and is dumped.  NOTHING on this thread reveals classified data nor does any thing on thies thread constitute any kind of a threat to the US or its interests.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Thursday, December 28, 2023 2:02 PM

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Also from the   FWIW Dept: I'd offer the Boeing B-52 ...
A bomber designed in the post WWII era, and flown in its first iteraton as a B-52 A; FLEW FIRST, IN 1954, makes it a 59 year old, front line Bomber in its current B-52- H model.   
 
Many were built here in the Former Boeing Plant.(now Spirit Aviation) which many here, are familiar with, as the origin for all those fuselages of the B-737's(of various types) being sent by BNSF rail to be finished in the Seattle area.
  nAnd as an honorable mention for our old USAF planes; how about the Boeing KC-135 which was originally the B-707's, in its civilian entity.
  Still flying high. It first flew in the 1950's.   
 
Another old-timer would be the C-130.
 

[/quote]  Oops - Sign  First time I flew, as a miltarty passenger:1958, in a Tn AG C-119. Next time in a similar status was, in a USMC GV-1 1963 ( USMC their version of a C-130 ).  

Sort of amazing, that it is possible, USAF (currently flying aircraft) are approiaching the age where they might qualify for 'antique air show status' ?)  

Starting with the B-52.  Similarly, to Wichita's resident B-26 'Doc';  now housed in a hanger at the local Eisenhower Int'l Airport....

See article linked @https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/restoration-doc-flies-again-180960367/

"...For 42 years, Fifi was the only airworthy Superfortress. Now it has company..."

By Stephen Joiner   October 2016 Smithsonian Magazine

 

 

 


 

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Posted by caldreamer on Thursday, December 28, 2023 3:04 PM

The B-52 is far from old or obsolete.  These aircraft have been and continue to be upgraded.  Currently in the B-52H model.  The Air Force has stated that they will remain on active duty untill AT LEAST 2060.  Which means that any current or future versions will be over 100 years old. They are currently 67 years old and going strong. NO OTHER aircraft can beat that record.

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, December 28, 2023 4:22 PM

There are sons flying their father's airplane.  At this rate, there will be grandsons flying their grandfather's airplanes.

Attempts to update the power on the B52() have not been very successful, as the airframe can't seem to handle the extra thrust today's jet engines produce.

But they still fly.

 

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Posted by caldreamer on Thursday, December 28, 2023 6:18 PM

The B52s' do not have to go any faster.  With a flying range that can put it anywhere in the world and deliver conventional dumb or nuclear bombs, conventional laser guided or smart bombs, air launched cruise missles with a conventional or nucler warhead they are one of the deadliest bombers in the world.

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, December 28, 2023 6:27 PM

tree68

There are sons flying their father's airplane.  At this rate, there will be grandsons flying their grandfather's airplanes.

Attempts to update the power on the B52() have not been very successful, as the airframe can't seem to handle the extra thrust today's jet engines produce.

But they still fly.

 

 

Apply PSR standards to the B-52, fewer bigger engines of modern design, same aggregate power for the airframe to handle but better fuel economy and thus longer range between refuelings.

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, December 28, 2023 6:56 PM

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Apply PSR standards to the B-52, fewer bigger engines of modern design, same aggregate power for the airframe to handle but better fuel economy and thus longer range between refuelings.

I think that's the general idea.

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Posted by jeffhergert on Thursday, December 28, 2023 7:35 PM

caldreamer

The B-52 is far from old or obsolete.  These aircraft have been and continue to be upgraded.  Currently in the B-52H model.  The Air Force has stated that they will remain on active duty untill AT LEAST 2060.  Which means that any current or future versions will be over 100 years old. They are currently 67 years old and going strong. NO OTHER aircraft can beat that record.

 

Not quite 67.  First H model delivered in 1961, the last in 1962.  The H models are the only ones in active inventory. 

Still, pretty good longevity for a basic design.   

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Posted by samfp1943 on Thursday, December 28, 2023 9:36 PM

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caldreamer

The B-52 is far from old or obsolete.  These aircraft have been and continue to be upgraded.  Currently in the B-52H model.  The Air Force has stated that they will remain on active duty untill AT LEAST 2060.  Which means that any current or future versions will be over 100 years old. They are currently 67 years old and going strong. NO OTHER aircraft can beat that record.

Not quite 67.  First H model delivered in 1961, the last in 1962.  The H models are the only ones in active inventory. 

Still, pretty good longevity for a basic design.   

Jeff

As the two posters mentioned:  "BUFF", The B-52(H) , in its latest iteration, is apparently ready to march on for some time .

See the following linked story, with photos, found on a  website, I follow called, "The War Zone"  story by author/joseph-trevithick/Dec.27,2023

linked @  https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/b-52-needs-new-pylons-to-carry-max-load-of-hypersonic-missiles

 

 


 

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Posted by ericsp on Thursday, December 28, 2023 10:50 PM

tree68

There are sons flying their father's airplane.  At this rate, there will be grandsons flying their grandfather's airplanes.

Attempts to update the power on the B52() have not been very successful, as the airframe can't seem to handle the extra thrust today's jet engines produce.

But they still fly.

 

 

It is finally going to happen.

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/re-engined-b-52-b-52j/

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/rolls-royce-testing-b-52-engines-nacelles/

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Posted by Erik_Mag on Friday, December 29, 2023 11:32 AM

The issue with re-engining the B-52 is going from 8 engines to 4 would result in double the asymetric thrust from an engine-out. New engines would probably give a significant boost to weapons load for the longer range missions as less fuel wold be needed.

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, December 29, 2023 2:52 PM

Erik_Mag
The issue with re-engining the B-52 is going from 8 engines to 4 would result in double the asymetric thrust from an engine-out. New engines would probably give a significant boost to weapons load for the longer range missions as less fuel wold be needed.

That is why engineers exist - to modify things to work better.

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Posted by mudchicken on Friday, December 29, 2023 4:29 PM

Usually another attempt at FUBAR or Murphy's Law ... MischiefMischiefMischief

Hopefully the E-tribe involved here has actually gotten dirty taking jet engines apart and re-assembling them, and has been outside his sterile little cubicle and functioned in the real world.

 

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