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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, April 22, 2023 10:00 AM

Two things you should keep in mind: period of resonance, and reflected shock.  The latter was a critical (although at the time, unrecognized technically) reason why John Stevens' "temporary" track structure became the mainline standard instead of granite blocks supporting fishbelly rail, or longitudinal baulks spanning point 'foundations', or cast slab track...

REALLY bad track is where joints are so unsupported that the rail physically bows UP above track level when wheels are loading both ends.  If I had not seen photographic proof, I wouldn't have believed it possible.

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, April 22, 2023 11:21 AM

Overmod
Two things you should keep in mind: period of resonance, and reflected shock.  The latter was a critical (although at the time, unrecognized technically) reason why John Stevens' "temporary" track structure became the mainline standard instead of granite blocks supporting fishbelly rail, or longitudinal baulks spanning point 'foundations', or cast slab track...

REALLY bad track is where joints are so unsupported that the rail physically bows UP above track level when wheels are loading both ends.  If I had not seen photographic proof, I wouldn't have believed it possible.

Recall riding the 'front porch' of a locomotive heading down a long industrial lead that could have been maintained at a higher level.  Jointed Rail.   Every time the lead wheels of the locomotive occupied one end of a rail, the far end of the rail could be seen 'jumping up' a inch or so, as the engine continued on, the rail would settle back down and the situation would be repeated as the next rail had the weight of the engine applied to it.

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, April 22, 2023 12:21 PM

Overmod
REALLY bad track is where joints are so unsupported that the rail physically bows UP above track level when wheels are loading both ends.  If I had not seen photographic proof, I wouldn't have believed it possible.

There used to be a video around of stick rail wherein the stick itself was completely unsecured to the ties.  Only the joint bars kept it in gauge.  And, yes, the ends did flop around a lot as cars passed over it.

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Posted by Erik_Mag on Saturday, April 22, 2023 1:10 PM

David1005

Equipment engineers look at the track as the primary suspension with a spring constant of about 1,000,000 lbs/in.

I'm curious about the length of track assumed for that figure. Since this ties in with truck suspension, this might be the modulus for one wheelbase length.

You are correct that an infinite modulus would worsen loading from flat spots on wheels.

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Posted by Perry Babin on Saturday, April 22, 2023 4:04 PM

BaltACD

Every time the lead wheels of the locomotive occupied one end of a rail, the far end of the rail could be seen 'jumping up' a inch or so, as the engine continued on, the rail would settle back down and the situation would be repeated as the next rail had the weight of the engine applied to it.

 
 
This shows a bridge doing something similar. It pivots on the center support. 
 
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Posted by mudchicken on Sunday, April 23, 2023 8:26 AM

(and then there is the common issue of locomotives crawling-up to a turnout to the square joints three feet in front of the switch points. Bubbawits switchman can't throw the switch because the switch points and stockrail are jammed-locked together ... cue up the whiny switchman "switch hard to throw music"...)

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