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How Not to Make Friends and Favorably Influence People

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How Not to Make Friends and Favorably Influence People
Posted by Victrola1 on Tuesday, January 31, 2023 1:14 PM

Original Story:

A Union Pacific Railroad Train near Dixon has been stationary for hours, blocking off an entire subdivision, according to a Jan. 31 news release.

Around 1:53 a.m. on Tuesday morning, the Lee County Sheriff's Office learned that a Union Pacific Railroad was blocking roadways for the entire Woodland Shores subdivision west of Dixon....... 

 At the time of the call, the train had already been stationary and blocking the road for hours. The Union Pacific crew has reportedly timed out and was waiting for a relief crew....

 

The sheriff’s office is currently working on a contingency plan in an effort to provide emergency access to the area should the need arise. The sheriff's office is also contacting the Federal Railroad Administration to make them aware of the situation.   

https://www.wqad.com/article/news/local/train-blocks-off-entire-dixon-subdivision-nelson-illinois-union-pacific-railway/526-a09ecc04-0493-489b-9a7d-c505e6448503

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, January 31, 2023 3:23 PM

I'm surprised they didn't get ticketed.  Yes, I'm being serious.

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, January 31, 2023 4:54 PM

Flintlock76

I'm surprised they didn't get ticketed.  Yes, I'm being serious.

Cheaper to pay the fine than to have enough crews available...

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Posted by ns145 on Tuesday, January 31, 2023 6:39 PM

Based on the Butler road crossing in Nelson being blocked, UP must have had itself tied up in knots.  The train had to have been stopped strung out thru at least the east interlocking at the junction with the Peoria Subdivision.  If the train was super long, then perhaps the west junction interlocking too.  What a mess.

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, January 31, 2023 7:00 PM

Malicious compliance with a ineptly formed order from 'on high'?

'Go as far as you can!'  with no qualifieres.

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Posted by jeffhergert on Wednesday, February 1, 2023 6:40 PM

Flintlock76

I'm surprised they didn't get ticketed.  Yes, I'm being serious.

 

We've discussed this before.  They used to ticket trains blocking crossings.  Most, if not all, local laws have been rendered moot by the railroads going to Federal courts and invoking Federal preemption.

They need to either have congress write legislation to govern blocking of crossings, or a Federal ruling, probably from the U S Supreme Court, stating that States may apply regulations when there is no Federal law governing on a specific instruction.

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Posted by jeffhergert on Wednesday, February 1, 2023 7:03 PM

BaltACD

Malicious compliance with a ineptly formed order from 'on high'?

'Go as far as you can!'  with no qualifieres.

 

More likely went as far as they could, thinking they would move up relatively soon.  Might've been an eastbound waiting to work Rochelle.  Possible even a westbound waiting to get into Clinton.  (Looking at a map, I think the eastbound is most likely.  A westbound would've most likely stopped short of the crossing at Nelson.)

They aren't big on having trains cut crossings when they think there will be a recrew.  Even tying down when it's known there won't be a crew doesn't rate very well.  And I hate to admit it, but too many crews are fine with not pushing the issue.  Even when it's obvious that they aren't going to move before they expire on HOS.

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Posted by zugmann on Thursday, February 2, 2023 2:45 PM

Flintlock76

I'm surprised they didn't get ticketed.  Yes, I'm being serious.

 

They couldn't reach the wiper. 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, February 2, 2023 4:02 PM

jeffhergert
 
BaltACD

Malicious compliance with a ineptly formed order from 'on high'?

'Go as far as you can!'  with no qualifieres. 

More likely went as far as they could, thinking they would move up relatively soon.  Might've been an eastbound waiting to work Rochelle.  Possible even a westbound waiting to get into Clinton.  (Looking at a map, I think the eastbound is most likely.  A westbound would've most likely stopped short of the crossing at Nelson.)

They aren't big on having trains cut crossings when they think there will be a recrew.  Even tying down when it's known there won't be a crew doesn't rate very well.  And I hate to admit it, but too many crews are fine with not pushing the issue.  Even when it's obvious that they aren't going to move before they expire on HOS.

Jeff

When I was working in those far off days BEFORE PSR.  TTSI in for many terminals had instructions about where specific sized trains could stop when being held out of the terminal.  If the train was 6K feet it could stop short of Road Crossing #1, if the train was 8K feet it could stop short of Road Crossing #4, if the train was more than 10K feet it had to hold short of Road Crossing #10.  Trains were required to obtain yarding instructions before passing the locations where they could be safely held.

At least we TRIED to be a Good Neighbor.  We weren't always successful - but at least we tried.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, February 3, 2023 10:10 AM

I remember reading in the Special Instructions of the IHB employee TT concerning westbound freights coming up on a stop signal at Dolton.  If they were above a certain length they would stop short at Cottage Grove Avenue.

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Posted by mudchicken on Friday, February 3, 2023 10:17 AM

These type of situations were where I learned that dispatchers, yardmasters, superintendents and trainmasters could not reliably be able to read a track chart that they all had readilly available.DunceDunceDunce

"Whut's a 30 scale?"

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Posted by caldreamer on Friday, February 3, 2023 12:54 PM

Queastion: Whats a 30 scale?

Answer: The size of the dispatchers, yardmasters, superintendents brain in square millimeters.Wink

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, February 4, 2023 11:42 AM

caldreamer
Answer: The size of the dispatchers, yardmasters, superintendents brain in square millimeters.

Close.  It's actually volume, in milliliters of water equivalent.

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Posted by jeffhergert on Saturday, February 4, 2023 8:16 PM

mudchicken

These type of situations were where I learned that dispatchers, yardmasters, superintendents and trainmasters could not reliably be able to read a track chart that they all had readilly available.DunceDunceDunce

"Whut's a 30 scale?"

 

They have to care about such things first.  When you don't care there's no reason to consult the available information.

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, February 4, 2023 9:17 PM

mudchicken
These type of situations were where I learned that dispatchers, yardmasters, superintendents and trainmasters could not reliably be able to read a track chart that they all had readilly available.DunceDunceDunce

"Whut's a 30 scale?"

Had a Supervisor at the Dufford Dispatchng Center in Jacksonville that thought all the sidings shown on the Dispatcher's track model board display were all the same length in the field.  (they aren't)

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Sunday, February 5, 2023 9:59 AM

BaltACD
 
mudchicken
These type of situations were where I learned that dispatchers, yardmasters, superintendents and trainmasters could not reliably be able to read a track chart that they all had readilly available.DunceDunceDunce

"Whut's a 30 scale?"

 

Had a Supervisor at the Dufford Dispatchng Center in Jacksonville that thought all the sidings shown on the Dispatcher's track model board display were all the same length in the field.  (they aren't)

 
How long had it been since he took a field trip through his area?  Or was he newly promoted?
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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, February 5, 2023 11:17 AM

CSSHEGEWISCH
 
BaltACD 
mudchicken
These type of situations were where I learned that dispatchers, yardmasters, superintendents and trainmasters could not reliably be able to read a track chart that they all had readilly available.DunceDunceDunce

"Whut's a 30 scale?" 

Had a Supervisor at the Dufford Dispatchng Center in Jacksonville that thought all the sidings shown on the Dispatcher's track model board display were all the same length in the field.  (they aren't) 

How long had it been since he took a field trip through his area?  Or was he newly promoted?

Not newly promoted, just terminally dumb. 

He 'pushed' one train to Atlanta that had no place to go as it was going to arrive Atlanta 10 hours BEFORE the train's assigned crew could be called and there were no extra board crews available to more it ahead of the assigned crew.  That move outlawed 6 trains trying to make Atlanta for HOS.  Just another day in the neighborhood.

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