zugmann York1 At one time, he had 2 decades+ left to work, he stuck it out, and he feels he is now being rewarded for the decision. RR was a different beast just 5 years ago, nevermind 20.
York1 At one time, he had 2 decades+ left to work, he stuck it out, and he feels he is now being rewarded for the decision.
RR was a different beast just 5 years ago, nevermind 20.
Glad I retired before PSR mania hit CSX and the rest of the US Class 1's.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
From several FB and other groups I am a part of now since my new boss has extensive dealings with the railroads and we now deal directly with NS CSX UP KCS BNSF CN and CP in our operations all over the USA and into Canada now. I can tell you this about what I am hearing from our railroad side of operations what the boys there hear from crews that service us. The Class 1s have managed to tick off about every single craft and operations personal they have with that single sentance. I ran into a friend of mine a section worker for the BNSF and he has voted to Strike and not approve the PEB contract and everyone he has talked to in his local did the same. I was down at the SIT yard taking care of a driver emergency last night and our local was dropping off some cars and asked the crew what they thought all they said is be glad your owner has ordered extra cars before the cooling off period is over as they are going to walk off as soon as possible. They are tired of being treated like crap and it is nationwide. Even if they are ordered back close to 80% are saying from what they have heard are going to refuse to go back even if Congress ordered them back saying why WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR PROFITS. They are willing to risk their jobs to make a statement that shakes the industry to the core right now.
Just curious, I have read that contracts often include back pay, for any raises for the time worked after the old contract expired, do employees that have left during the period without a contract, get the back pay for their time without a contract?
If an employee works for 6 months after the contract expires are they paid back pay?
If they work 2.5 years without a contract do they get back pay?
what about furloughed, or furloughed then not returned?
is there a criteria for determining back pay, or if you leave the day before the contract settlement, you are just SOL?
If there is no back pay for anyone leaving for any reason, I can understand (not to be confused with AGREEING With) the carriers delaying the contract settlement as long as possibl, back pay can add up to a very sizable amount
Doug
May your flanges always stay BETWEEN the rails
Shadow the Cats owner Even if they are ordered back close to 80% are saying from what they have heard are going to refuse to go back even if Congress ordered them back saying why WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR PROFITS. They are willing to risk their jobs to make a statement that shakes the industry to the core right now.
Sure they are.
The mortgage/truck/alimony payments will still be due. You really think 80% are going to walk off? That's all locker room/reddit talk.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
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Shadow the Cats ownerThey are willing to risk their jobs to make a statement that shakes the industry to the core right now.
Wanna bet??
They only have to stay out long enough to shake up the proper people...
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If a majority accept a contract, or one is imposed by congressional action, those unhappy have two options. Accept it or quit.
Taking part in an illegal job action could open up those participating to law suits from the carriers. That's unlikely, but possible. Our union leadership is very careful to distance themselves from such talk because they are easier targets. However they've cautioned us that rank and file members, especially those who have been shooting off their mouths on social media, could conceivably be targeted.
In the hours before the strike deadline, I noticed the number of people marking off the boards had gone up. It was stressed that doing so could be construed has being an illegal job action. In reality, I think most were afraid of going to work and getting stuck at the away from home terminal. (We did have plans to get those away from home back, but depending on how may were there could've taken some time.)
As Zug mentioned, there's a lot of talk but I believe reality would rear it's ugly head for the vast majority.
Jeff
nevermind.
challenger3980Just curious, I have read that contracts often include back pay, for any raises for the time worked after the old contract expired, do employees that have left during the period without a contract, get the back pay for their time without a contract?
Reading through the tentative agreement a bit.
You only qualify for backpay if you are working for the carrier on the date of ratification for the new contract. Unless you died or retired since 2020.
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