Erie proposed 4-10-4

[IA and eastern]

Erie proposed a 4-10-4 locomotive. Is there any drawings or any info on this locomotive? Gary

[Overmod]

You asked this already; as I recall, it was a 2-10-4 and the detail proposal was in 1929.

The former thread on this documented the actual source.

[IA and eastern]

this locomotive was proposed as talks between Erie and Lima around 1942. Gary

[Overmod]

That would be interesting - that would likely be a 'wartime engine' like the PRR Q2, and I'd expect the WPB to be a big part of the reason they weren't built then.

What might be interesting is whether Erie got its FTs in place of 4-10-4s...

Erie being the high-wide go-to in the WWII Northeast might make large, comparatively fast road power more of a priority.

[tree68]

While drawings are a possibility, I would surmise that the discussions involved how to adapt a current design into the desired locomotive.  Santa Fe was using a 2-10-2.  Adding another axle to the pony and trailing trucks would not have been a serious challenge.

 

[Backshop]

IA and eastern

this locomotive was proposed as talks between Erie and Lima around 1942. Gary

 

It sounds like you know more about it than the rest of us.  What other information do you have?

[BaltACD]

IA and eastern

this locomotive was proposed as talks between Erie and Lima around 1942. Gary

Any and Everything proposed in 1942 and later would have had to have had War Production Board authority to proceed.  The WPB made their decisions based on available resources and existing designs to minimize everything necessary to get the requested power on the rail and hauling freight.

[daveklepper]

The logical starting point for the design of a Lima - Erie 4-10-4 would be the 2-10=4s built for the C&O and PRR.

Would be a terrific dual-service locomotive, if drvers were 69" or 70" or larger, with good counter-balancing.  Probably highest HP for any two-cylinder locomotive.

[M636C]

I couldn't find any reference to a 4-10-4 in Hirsimaki's book. There was of course a lot of data about the proposed 4-8-6 and the possible conversion of an NYC 4-6-4 to the double Belpaire firebox.

There was a drawing of a 4-10-6 proposed to T&P instead of their final order for 2-10-4s, but this was much earlier than the 4-10-4 mentioned.

Peter

[kgbw49]

Erie being the high wide railroad could have easily accomodated a variation of the Santa Fe 74-inch-drivered 2-10-4 5001 class first constructed in 1938 in both coal-fired and oil-fired versions.

Equally at home on fast freight and the occasional varnish as needed, they would almost certainly have given a good account of themselves on the Erie during WWII.

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https://www.railarchive.net/randomsteam/atsf5004.htm