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Fraser Canyon mess

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, November 29, 2021 11:57 AM

YEE HAW!!! (or honorary-Canadian equivalent)

He's back with us!

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, November 29, 2021 12:40 PM
  Thanks for the picture.  That really says it  all  .  The leaning abutmaent with piles showing means what for repairs?   
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Posted by rdamon on Tuesday, November 30, 2021 7:40 AM

Wow ... just wow!

I would be suprised if any of the old bridge is saved.  

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, November 30, 2021 8:15 AM

rdamon
Wow ... just wow!

I would be suprised if any of the old bridge is saved.  

I am wondering how much deeper that visible piles actually go down in the ground?

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, November 30, 2021 10:29 AM

When the RR was built was a quick culvert or maybe even a bridge built to enable the RR construction to proceed?  I assume the highway was built later.  Then when the road was built how much boring was done to engineer the abutments for the RR bridge pilings?  Were any borings done away from the planned bridge?  Surely in the distant past there was  evidence of landslides or severe flooding?.  

Were there enough ground borings to note the past landslides / flooding potential?

Maybe some RR historian can give us an overview?  also someone about the road construction? 

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Posted by rdamon on Tuesday, November 30, 2021 10:40 AM

Maybe they will save the bridge ...

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Tuesday, November 30, 2021 3:30 PM

Is it still raining? That is a tough job and a major challenge for the Engineering men to overcome. I presume there are no alternative routes to bypass this part of the canyon. Looks like this will take more than one week to reopen.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Tuesday, November 30, 2021 6:58 PM

blue streak 1
Were any borings done away from the planned bridge?  Surely in the distant past there was  evidence of landslides or severe flooding?.   Were there enough ground borings to note the past landslides / flooding potential?

Basically everything in the canyon above high water and bedrock, is either lanslide debris or alluvium.  The general geologic term is mass wasting.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Tuesday, November 30, 2021 6:59 PM

The rain keeps coming.  CN had repaired our line and filled in the biggest washout at Falls Creek, only for it to wash out again a day later.  CP was impacted by some slides but they were able to clear things and reopen fairly quickly.

CP's line is currently open and they are still fleeting trains.  

As much traffic as possible has been diverted to Prince Rupert, the Trunk line has remained in operation but things are becoming congested up there.  Prince Rupert can only handle so much.

The former BC Rail line is seeing only minimal use, probably one train a day.  A far cry from what BC Rail used to run, especially when they were handling CN detours during times like these (our non-DB power must have been real popular with their crews).  

CP has not attempted to repair the Tank Hill bridge yet, instead they built a shoofly around it.  Highway 1 is still closed through the area, and I suspect Tank Hill will end up getting a level crossing until a new bridge is built.  

To top things off, two drunk teenage girls caused confusion and delay last night by climbing aboard a CP DP remote and pulling the emergency brake handle after riding for some distance.  

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Posted by Cursator on Wednesday, December 1, 2021 8:01 AM

A bit off topic question here: what amount of trains did run on the BC Rail line from Vancouver to Prince George in the "old days"?

The work your engineering crews are putting in must be extreme. To repair a landslide like this in such a short time is astounding.

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Posted by selector on Wednesday, December 1, 2021 3:27 PM

It's easily, and far and away, the most troublesome length of trackage in the country, and both roads have a lengthy history of overcoming natural problems on the right-of-way.  There are numerous fires, landslides, washouts, and the rocksheds to help with them, along the Fraser River between about Ashcroft (where the Thompson flows past) and beyond to Lytton (burnt to the ground in July, entirely), and on to the Hell's Gate mess, Cisco, Yale, and ending about 20 miles past Hope where the rails meet the Fraser delta.  I'm very proud of our rails because, yes, they really seem to have been at least somewhat ready to plow through, long days, hard work, and a git-'er-done attitude. 

Leaving aside the rails' problems and costs, I think the tally in the Delta will be well over $20B by the time the last cheques are signed.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Thursday, December 2, 2021 12:18 AM

Cursator

A bit off topic question here: what amount of trains did run on the BC Rail line from Vancouver to Prince George in the "old days"?

BC Rail's operating plan ran there through freights in each direction per day, presumably no longer than 6000' as this is how long the sidings are on this route.  Then as now most northbound cars were empty, and there was a helper crew based at Pemberton to push heavy southbounds up the 2% grades from Darcy to Birken and Pemberton to Mons (a few miles northeast of Whistler).  

CN is now say that our line through the Fraser Canyon should be open by this weekend, and the traffic backlog will not be cleared until at least February.  

As of right now only the CP line is open, they are continuing to run fleets of trains one direction at a time between Mission and Basque/Coho, the two ends of what is normally the directional running zone.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Thursday, December 2, 2021 1:01 PM

CN decided to send a train of 'White Fleets' to Boston Bar.  CP sent some of theirs to the area a week or two ago.  

This is the first time I've seen in western Canada during my working years, I'd forgotten we had any left.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OAk5BDBa1UY

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Posted by SD70Dude on Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:02 AM

CN's Ashcroft Sub reopened this afternoon for the third time.  They ran a couple empty eastbounds over it first, and since that went well the floodgates have opened and westbounds are pouring out of Kamloops.  

Hopefully things can finally start getting back to normal.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Saturday, December 11, 2021 2:19 PM

rdamon

Wow ... just wow!

I would be suprised if any of the old bridge is saved.  

Here's a shot of the fill and shoo-fly CP built.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tranbc/51734373613/in/album-72157720143417483/

The damaged bridge is being dismantled and a level crossing will be built here.  

The truckers are not happy that the railways are open but both the Trans-Canada and Coquihalla highways are still closed.

Greetings from Alberta

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