Question on a rail line in Oklahoma

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Question on a rail line in Oklahoma
Posted by CMStPnP on Thursday, September 12, 2019 5:20 AM

What is the history of the rail line that parallels Highway 69 in South of Tulsa in OK.   It looks like UP RR now, is it former KATY or MOPAC?   Whatever it is, the owning railroad did a upgrade of it's CTC, brand new hooded tricolor CTC signals facing both directions for most of the line that was visible from the highway.    If I had to guess it's the former Kansas City to DFW line of either MOPAC or KATY.

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Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, September 12, 2019 9:38 AM

MKT until you get into towns like Muskogee which become a mix of MKT, MoP and SLSF

UPRR Wichita Division/ Cherokee Sub   MKT blt. 1869-72 (US-69 caused multiple line changes in that area "south of Tulsa")

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Posted by SD60MAC9500 on Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:09 PM

Speaking of OK.. What’s going on these days with UP’s ex-RI line through the state? Never had time to check it out.

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Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, September 12, 2019 5:01 PM

Enid Sub  (Home of the world famous Enid Can Opener) or Oklahoma City Sub?

 

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Posted by SD60MAC9500 on Thursday, September 12, 2019 7:56 PM

mudchicken

Enid Sub  (Home of the world famous Enid Can Opener) or Oklahoma City Sub?

 

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Both 

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Posted by CMStPnP on Friday, September 13, 2019 1:33 PM

Thanks for the feedback.

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Posted by Northtowne on Wednesday, September 25, 2019 12:28 PM

From Muskogee the Katy went straight South and paralelled US HW 69. You can see a lot of the track (UP now) from the highway. The MP curved to the SE away from Muskogee.

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Posted by RadioTech on Monday, October 28, 2019 9:09 PM

mudchicken

Enid Sub  (Home of the world famous Enid Can Opener) or Oklahoma City Sub?

 

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Ahh, yes, the East Maine bridge.  That made the paper a number of times and caused the division MoW surfacing gang to come up (or down) to realign the track.  One time it was hit and the MTM said that hit put the bridge back in position!  They still had to do a realignment.

I drove under through there a number of times, albiet with my S10 pickup or UPRR Astro van.  The height was clearly marked, but...

One particular picture I recall a van trailer with about 2/3 of its body owrk accordianed back and the bed and frame jammed up with its nose against the bottom of the bridge.  Apparently, it just ripped it off the fifth wheel of the semi tractor.  The photo included the "driver" (steering wheel holder?) just standing there staring while the police were writing their report.

 

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Posted by bigwally on Tuesday, November 5, 2019 10:22 AM

SD60MAC9500

Speaking of OK.. What’s going on these days with UP’s ex-RI line through the state? Never had time to check it out.

Late to the party with this but...

The Enid sub still sees 8-10 trains a day on average, though that number can fluctuate wildly on any given day. You can usually count on a:

M-WTFW (manifest between Wichita and Ft. Worth)

M-FWWT

A pair of Dolese rock trains

A pair of auto trains

(note the above two trains are often combined)

After that, look for a random mix of grain trains, frac sand trains, coal (usually northbound empties), ethanol, and the occasional windmill train. Grain trains pick up in the summer, frac sand trains (which were booming for awhile) have markedly decreased. The Enid local may often be disguised as a rock train or auto train too. Further, PSR has changed all of the above so it's not uncommon to see what once might have been a 60-car M train running daily turned into a 120-car train running every other day (often appearing as two trains tacked together so the power of the second train appears as mid-train DPU)

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Posted by Rte66man on Friday, November 8, 2019 10:18 AM

bigwally

 

 
SD60MAC9500

Speaking of OK.. What’s going on these days with UP’s ex-RI line through the state? Never had time to check it out.

 

 

Late to the party with this but...

The Enid sub still sees 8-10 trains a day on average, though that number can fluctuate wildly on any given day. You can usually count on a:

M-WTFW (manifest between Wichita and Ft. Worth)

M-FWWT

A pair of Dolese rock trains

A pair of auto trains

(note the above two trains are often combined)

After that, look for a random mix of grain trains, frac sand trains, coal (usually northbound empties), ethanol, and the occasional windmill train. Grain trains pick up in the summer, frac sand trains (which were booming for awhile) have markedly decreased. The Enid local may often be disguised as a rock train or auto train too. Further, PSR has changed all of the above so it's not uncommon to see what once might have been a 60-car M train running daily turned into a 120-car train running every other day (often appearing as two trains tacked together so the power of the second train appears as mid-train DPU)

The Dolese rock trains originate from their Richards Spur quarry just north of Lawton and supply their stone yards in Enid, Yukon and OKC Midtown. Until very recently, the Enid trains were 100 car unit trains that generally showed up at about 6 a.m. 2-3 times per week depending on demand. UP pulled them onto Dolese's loop and left them for the Dolese crew to unload. When they were done (about 9-10 hours depending on the weather). they contacted UP to pick up the empties and return them to Richards Spur for the next job.  I'm not sure why, but UP will no longer leave the power on the train while Dolese unloads it.  

As for the other 2 Dolese locations, UP will drop the cars at Chickasha where they will be added to trains headed to OKC.

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Posted by Sunnyland on Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:47 PM

When I saw the name Muskogee, Frisco immediately came to mind. We never got to OK or TX but knew the names of the towns Frisco served.  Sapulpa, Okmulgee are two that come to mind, and if I did not spell them correctly, I apologize.  Been a long time since I heard those names.  

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Posted by Northtowne on Thursday, November 21, 2019 8:24 PM

And Ada, OK where I went to college, and Madill near the TX border.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Thursday, November 21, 2019 8:32 PM

I've seen BNSF running the former Frisco Rock trains through Propser and into North Dallas suburbs as well.     They are pretty frequent still.  

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Posted by rvos1979 on Monday, November 25, 2019 6:54 PM

They changed out a lot of rail the past two years between Vinita and Muskogee, all the old rail was chopped up and hauled out by truck...........

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Posted by Deggesty on Monday, November 25, 2019 7:52 PM

RadioTech

 

 
mudchicken

Enid Sub  (Home of the world famous Enid Can Opener) or Oklahoma City Sub?

 

Feed Da Bridge: https://www.facebook.com/TheEastMaineBridge 

 

 

 

 

Ahh, yes, the East Maine bridge.  That made the paper a number of times and caused the division MoW surfacing gang to come up (or down) to realign the track.  One time it was hit and the MTM said that hit put the bridge back in position!  They still had to do a realignment.

I drove under through there a number of times, albiet with my S10 pickup or UPRR Astro van.  The height was clearly marked, but...

One particular picture I recall a van trailer with about 2/3 of its body owrk accordianed back and the bed and frame jammed up with its nose against the bottom of the bridge.  Apparently, it just ripped it off the fifth wheel of the semi tractor.  The photo included the "driver" (steering wheel holder?) just standing there staring while the police were writing their report.

 

 

Did the police check the driver's vision to determine if he could read?

Johnny

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