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Terminology question
Posted by Lithonia Operator on Friday, June 7, 2019 9:06 PM

In an article I just read, there is this sentence:The railroad has been trying to outshop the engine for two years, but a host of issues has kept it at the restoration site in Ridgeley, W.Va.

Does "outshop" mean finish the work and therefore get the locomotive out of the shop?

Or does it mean to send the engine to another road's shop (or other off-home-railroad service facility)?

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, June 7, 2019 9:20 PM

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In an article I just read, there is this sentence:The railroad has been trying to outshop the engine for two years, but a host of issues has kept it at the restoration site in Ridgeley, W.Va.

Does "outshop" mean finish the work and therefore get the locomotive out of the shop?

Or does it mean to send the engine to another road's shop (or other off-home-railroad service facility)?

Presuming that 'the shop' has the ability to perform ALL required services - Outshopping means that the shop has completed all necessary services.

Presuming that you are talking about WMSR 1309 - their shop at Ridgely, WV (just outside Cumberland, MD) is their locomotive shop for both their steam engines and their diesel engines.  To my limited knowledge, they perform all shop required services in house - both with their own personnel and outside contractors.

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Posted by MMLDelete on Friday, June 7, 2019 10:26 PM

Thanks, Balt.

I sure hope they can get that engine running. That's a place I would visit and ride/see the train, as my travels bring me to the general area.

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, June 7, 2019 10:47 PM

Hmmmmm.  I've always been of the understanding that "outshop" is basically analagous to "outsource," meaning sending something elsewhere to have work done.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Saturday, June 8, 2019 12:07 AM

tree68
Hmmmmm.  I've always been of the understanding that "outshop" is basically analagous to "outsource," meaning sending something elsewhere to have work done.


That was my understanding also.

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, June 8, 2019 8:21 AM

tree68
Hmmmmm.  I've always been of the understanding that "outshop" is basically analagous to "outsource," meaning sending something elsewhere to have work done.

You start with 'outsourcing' the shopping.  The shop is the shop no matter on whose property it is - completion of the project is 'outshopping'.

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Posted by PNWRMNM on Saturday, June 8, 2019 8:26 AM

Balt is correct.

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Posted by selector on Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:29 AM

I have always taken it that in the shop (never heard of 'in-shop', but I don't work in the industry) means second or third line repairs or modifications, something not easily conducted on a RIP.  Outshop means it can now be sent back into service, or if necessary, back to RIP for wee stuff.  IOW, kicked out and put back to work.

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Posted by MMLDelete on Saturday, June 8, 2019 12:04 PM

I also think Balt is correct. That’s the way I leaned to begin with.

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, June 8, 2019 12:13 PM

I think some people are being confused with the difference between "outshopped" and "shopped out".  Don't be one of those people.  They probably confuse 'taking out your friends' with 'taking your friends out', too.

(And neither of the shop terms is to be confused with outsourcing shop work or technical services in a professional sense... and in the railroading lingo I know the opposite of 'outshop' is simply 'shop'.))

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, June 8, 2019 12:31 PM

When I unload my race car from the trailer and put it in the garage - it went into my shop.  When I take the race car out of the garage and load it on the trailer to attend my next race it has been outshopped.

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, June 8, 2019 5:30 PM

Overmod
I think some people are being confused with the difference between "outshopped" and "shopped out".

You're probably right, but one definition of "outshop" is to shop outside your local area.  

The UK definition is to return a railcar to service after work in the shop.

I've see "in-shop" used in the context of work that might normally be done outside the shop (shopped out) being done within the shop by a shop's own staff.

 

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