SeeYou190I don't see why you needed to insult an entire state over the illegal behaviour of a few fools.
Your right, lets talk about letting debris accumulate on forest floors until you have enough tinder to create a raging Inferno of Biblical porportions........then blaming lack of rain or climate change. Or how about allowing wooden shingles on roofs when most of the United States in drought prone areas, like North Texas has prohibited that specific building material as irresponsible....
Just kidding but yet another example of how folks outside the state, see it from the outside.
zardoz SeeYou190 I doubt any of the activity in the video reflects the beliefs or principles of a typical resident of California. And a description of said resident would be.....? Kidding aside, you are correct; however, stupidity is universal, at least on this planet.
SeeYou190 I doubt any of the activity in the video reflects the beliefs or principles of a typical resident of California.
And a description of said resident would be.....?
Kidding aside, you are correct; however, stupidity is universal, at least on this planet.
Well, you know what Mel Brooks says?
"As long as this world keeps spinning and turning we're gonna get dizzy and we're gonna make mistakes!"
But getting back to those kids on the train, that IS stupidity. Sooner or later the Law of Averages is going to catch up with one of them, and it won't be pretty when it happens.
Uh, Overmod, just who started that rock band? Salvador Dali?
Me brain 'urts.
Go out and rake leaves in the California forests!
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
BaltACD Go out and rake leaves in the California forests!
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
And you can't use more than 40 gallons of water per person per day or you're in violation of another law out there. That's right California just put a new regulation for a maximum of 40 gallons of water per person per day. So no washing dishes and clothes in the same day. No long showers. Better living thru regulations that is the California way.
Water, eh? Now I'm thinking of "Chinatown."
Shadow the Cats owner And you can't use more than 40 gallons of water per person per day or you're in violation of another law out there. That's right California just put a new regulation for a maximum of 40 gallons of water per person per day. So no washing dishes and clothes in the same day. No long showers. Better living thru regulations that is the California way.
They go off the number of people living there and fine you heavily for overusage. They base it off the bill.
Fact check alert! You are spreading politically-motivated distortions again. I recall in the past you reposted a whopper about atomic enrgy in the midwest.
https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article212605634.html
"Laffer and Moore say that the effective income-tax rate (what people actually pay) for high earners in California will jump from 8.5 percent to 13 percent. Wealthy Manhattanites would face a similar increase, they say. Those who make $10 million or more will see a potential tax hike of 50 percent or more, according to their analysis.Those hikes, they say, will cause an exodus of residents to move to lower or no-income tax states."
http://timesofahmad.blogspot.com/2018/05/usa-800000-people-are-about-to-flee-new.html
During the Great Depression desperate people immigrated to California. They loaded up junk vehciles and headed west. Those who did not even have a junk vehicle hopped freight trains to reach the Golden State.
Fast forward nearly 90 years. Load up your gold in your Lincoln, or Lexus. Emmigrate east from California to a more tax friendly state.
Euclid Shadow the Cats owner And you can't use more than 40 gallons of water per person per day or you're in violation of another law out there. That's right California just put a new regulation for a maximum of 40 gallons of water per person per day. So no washing dishes and clothes in the same day. No long showers. Better living thru regulations that is the California way. Does the water meter shut off the water after 40 gallons, or does it just print out a ticket?
Does the water meter shut off the water after 40 gallons, or does it just print out a ticket?
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
Not that I expect such a limitation here (I don't even have municipal water, but if I did, it would come from Lake Ontario), that would be a good reason to keep my well in service...
Victrola1Fast forward nearly 90 years. Load up your gold in your Lincoln, or Lexus. Emigrate east from California to a more tax friendly state.
Perhaps we should be waiting at the border, just as the Californians so often did in the '30s, and be ready to give them a welcome similar to what they offered then.
https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2018/06/08/new-california-water-law-restrictions-shower-laundry//
Right now the standard is 55 gallons dropping to 50 in 2022 however the Legislature is changing that to 40 by 2020 according to several friends we have in California.
Dare I ask what exactly you folks are doing in the shower? lol. I run around 1500 a month but that is at the hieght of Summer with the lawn sprinklers running twice a week, shower every day. So approx your average is near 1550-1600 a month per person and that is restricted to house use only? That is an extremely generous amount of water. Texas doesn't limit via fines, so uncivilized. Instead Texas raises the price per gallon significantly over specific limits.
Shadow the Cats owner https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2018/06/08/new-california-water-law-restrictions-shower-laundry// Right now the standard is 55 gallons dropping to 50 in 2022 however the Legislature is changing that to 40 by 2020 according to several friends we have in California.
If so, prove it. Unknown sources don't count.
Shadow the Cats owner Right now the standard is 55 gallons dropping to 50 in 2022 however the Legislature is changing that to 40 by 2020 according to several friends we have in California.
Nothing against their conservation efforts, given the situation, but doesn't it usually happen that once you set such limits you end up having more water than you know what to do with? Imagine that, they'll end up with water just flowing down the rivers and into the sea!
Overmod Victrola1 Fast forward nearly 90 years. Load up your gold in your Lincoln, or Lexus. Emigrate east from California to a more tax friendly state. Perhaps we should be waiting at the border, just as the Californians so often did in the '30s, and be ready to give them a welcome similar to what they offered then.
Victrola1 Fast forward nearly 90 years. Load up your gold in your Lincoln, or Lexus. Emigrate east from California to a more tax friendly state.
Only if they bring their voting habits with them that made the mess they're running away from. Otherwise they'll just repeat the mistakes, reproduce what they fled from, and eventually move on again like a swarm of locusts.
You know the old saying, "Live and learn?" Well if you live but don't learn what does that say about you?
Firelock-- Thats what would happen and is happening. We are all surrounded every day 24/7 non stop by a progressive agenda. NFL, NBA, major networks, print media. Facebook, Google, Apple, and now those fleeing its consequences surrounding those who still believe in free markets, limited government and individual liberty.
If only we had kept the local, the roundhouse, the station and slowed down a bit ... but I hope you can all come together and work it out.
As for us up here in Canukistan, well, I'm waiting for the Chinese invasion and takeover. You know which line they would take first?...Churchill!... off load deep sea port, en masse straight shot to Winnipeg, cut the country in two and its all over.
Firelock76Only if they bring their voting habits with them that made the mess they're running away from. Otherwise they'll just repeat the mistakes, reproduce what they fled from, and eventually move on again like a swarm of locusts.
I've read that all too many folks move out of the big city to get away from it all, but then want their new home to be like the big city...
tree68 I've read that all too many folks move out of the big city to get away from it all, but then want their new home to be like the big city...
Some places in the Rocky Mountain states make a point of sending an info packet to newcomers reminding them that they don't live in a big city and don't expect big city services. Related to that are reminders that if you move next to a hog farm, then don't complain about the odors and noise coming from said farm.
In regards to the fires, we did have a couple of wet winters and all that water does promote the growth of fuel. Couple this with a dry summer, and Santa Ana/Diablo winds, major fires are almost a certainty - seen that happen many times over the years. One thng that helps is clearing the fuel before fire season - and I remember when Thousand Oaks passed a weed abatement ordinance in the early 60's (note the woolsey fire that took out Malibu was just east of T.O.).
erikemn regards to the fires, we did have a couple of wet winters and all that water does promote the growth of fuel. Couple this with a dry summer, and Santa Ana/Diablo winds, major fires are almost a certainty - seen that happen many times over the years. One thng that helps is clearing the fuel before fire season
True but the amount of leaf litter and underbrush make a difference in burn temperature (fire intensity), fire duration, and the damage caused. If the fire burns too hot it will destroy the ability of the forest to regenerate without human intervention. Higher temp fires also likely to burn more structures nearby via heat transfer alone (forget about the embers on the dried out wood shingles bit).
A quick brush fire fueled by catabolic wind and not much litter on the ground is going to blow right on by a subdivision with usually minimal damage if the grasslands are managed properly. Otherwise with lots of litter on the ground the fire will dwell and burn longer before it goes out.
alphasFor what its worth, I had some highly respected forestry professors tell me about 10 years ago that the current west coast forests had either reached their peak condition or would do so no later than 2020. The only ways to avoid a fairly rapid decline of their condition would be to resume modern logging [which also clears out underbrush], do controlled burning, or allow nature's normal fire burning [lighting] to play a role. Otherwise they warned of what I assume is happening today--massive fire loads building up and increased forest diseases due to the aging of the timber.
Agree with everything you said except not sure I would say there is a cap on fire damage caused by excessive leaf litter and such. I think the more there is the longer the fire burns and it burns at greater intensity. If he is saying a firestorm with fire tornados is the max it ever is going to get......I would agree with that but that is an extreme most humans do not want to see. It would be a virtual hell on earth..........like the Peshtigo Forest Fire of Northern Wisconsin........couldn't blame that one on the Irish at least (heh-heh....Chicago).
erikemOne thng that helps is clearing the fuel before fire season - and I remember when Thousand Oaks passed a weed abatement ordinance in the early 60's (note the woolsey fire that took out Malibu was just east of T.O.).
Such growth is often a factor in those fires, and has been a focus for fire prevention in the past. And, as mentioned, those "wonderful" wooden roofs.
I've seen pictures of houses still standing amidst the devastation - houses built with non-flammable roofs and flame resistant siding.
Escape the madness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQO5Xy2ebhs
CMStPnPIt would be a virtual hell on earth..........like the Peshtigo Forest Fire of Northern Wisconsin.......
Peshtigo fire as reported by the Weather Service: https://www.weather.gov/grb/peshtigofire
An alternate theory of the Peshtigo, Chicago, and other fires (hint: a meteor): https://books.google.com/books?id=nvcHrdVSxKgC&pg=PT116&lpg=PT116&dq=biela+comet+peshtigo&source=bl&ots=LHuxe5dVnd&sig=1znHDGopK_qZMpOHcQZwJYXQhdM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjojdKmsPvXAhXIVyYKHaATB0E4ChDoAQhnMA4#v=onepage&q=biela%20comet%20peshtigo&f=false
zardozPeshtigo fire as reported by the Weather Service:
Door County North of the Fire line in the Thumb still has the old growth forest at Pinnesula State Forest. If your ever up there take a look, in places it hasn't been touched or bull dozed by man and you can see why Pestigo was such an inferno.
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