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Posted by Deggesty on Sunday, July 8, 2018 8:34 PM

From reading Kenneth Roberts' novel Oliver Wiswell, I have the impression that a part of New Brunswick was settled by Loyalists from New England, the Boston area in particular.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, July 8, 2018 8:44 PM

Shelburne Nova Scotia was settled by Loyalists from Bergen County New Jersey, the area I'm from.

A nasty, ugly civil war was fought in Bergen County during the Revolution between the Loyalists and the Patriots, who called themelves Whigs at the time.  The Loyalists had no choice but to get out after the war. 

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Posted by Miningman on Sunday, July 8, 2018 8:45 PM

United Empire Loyalist

 
Reception of the American Loyalists by Great Britain in the Year 1783. The engraving depicts Loyalists seeking aid from Britannia following their expulsion from the United States.

United Empire Loyalists (or Loyalists) is an honorific given in by Lord Dorchester, the governor of Quebec and Governor-general of British North America, to American Loyalistswho resettled in British North America [1] during or after the American Revolution. The Loyalists were also referred to informally as the "King's Loyal Americans". At the time, the demonym Canadian or Canadien was used to refer to the indigenous First Nations groups and the French settlers inhabiting Province of Quebec.[2]

They settled primarily in Nova Scotia, and the Province of Quebec (including the Eastern Townships, and Montreal). The influx of loyalist settlers resulted in the creation of several new colonies. In 1784, New Brunswick was partitioned from the Colony of Nova Scotia after significant loyalist resettlement around the Bay of Fundy.[3][4] The influx of loyalist refugees also resulted in the Province of Quebec's division into Lower Canada (present-day Quebec), and Upper Canada (present-day Ontario) in 1791. The Crown gave them land grants of 200 acres (81 ha) per person to encourage their resettlement, as it especially wanted to develop the frontier of Upper Canada. This resettlement added many English speakers to the Canadian population. It was the beginning of new waves of immigration that established a predominantly English-speakingpopulation in the future Canada both west and east of the modern Quebec border.

 
 

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American RevolutionEdit

Depiction of Loyalistrefugees on their way to the Canadas during the American Revolution.

Following the end of the American Revolutionary War and the signing of the Treaty of Parisin 1783, both Loyalist soldiers and civilians were evacuated from New York City, most heading for Canada. Many Loyalists had already migrated to Canada, especially from New York and northern New England, where violence against them had increased during the war.

The Crown-allotted land in Canada was sometimes allotted according to which Loyalist regiment a man had fought in. This Loyalist resettlement was critical to the development of present-day Ontario, and some 10,000 refugees went to Quebec (including the Eastern Townships and modern-day Ontario). But Nova Scotia (including modern-day New Brunswick) received three times that number: about 35,000-40,000 Loyalist refugees.[5]These included some 3,000 Black Loyalists, slaves who had gained freedom from the British for working with them during the war. At the same time, some white Loyalists in Nova Scotia had brought their slaves with them, and held them until slavery was abolished in 1834. Prince Edward Island received 2,000 refugees.

An unknown but substantial number of individuals did not stay; they eventually returned to the United States. As some families split in their loyalties during the war years, many Loyalists in Canada continued to maintain close ties with relatives in the United States. They conducted commerce across the border with little regard to British trade laws.[6] In the 1790s, the offer of land and low taxes, which were one-quarter those in the Republic, for allegiance by Lieutenant-Governor Simcoe resulted in the arrival of 30,000 Americans often referred to as Late Loyalists. By the outbreak of the War of 1812, of the 110,000 inhabitants of Upper Canada, 20,000 were the initial Loyalists, 60,000 were later American immigrants and their descendants, and 30,000 were immigrants from the UK, their descendants or some Quebecois. The later arrival of many of the inhabitants of Upper Canada suggests that land was the main reason for immigration.

ResettlementEdit

The arrival of the Loyalists after the Revolutionary War led to the division of Canada into the provinces of Upper Canada (what is now southern Ontario) and Lower Canada (today's southern Quebec). They arrived and were largely settled in groups by ethnicity and religion. Many soldiers settled with others of the regiments they had served with.[7] The settlers came from every social class and 13 Colonies unlike the depiction of them in the Sandham painting which suggests the arrivals were upper-class immigrants dressed in their best and about to go the Ball.

The Coming of the Loyalists, painting by Henry Sandhamshowing a romanticised view of the Loyalists' arrival in New Brunswick.

Loyalists soon petitioned the government to be allowed to use the British legal system, which they were accustomed to in the American colonies, rather than the French system. Great Britain had maintained the French legal system and allowed freedom of religion after taking over the former French colony with the defeat of France in the Seven Years War. With the creation of Upper and Lower Canada, most Loyalists in the west could live under British laws and institutions. The predominately ethnic French population of Lower Canada, who were still French-speaking, could maintain their familiar French civil law and the Catholic religion.[7]

Realizing the importance of some type of recognition, on 9 November 1789, Lord Dorchester, the governor of Quebec and Governor General of British North America, declared "that it was his Wish to put the mark of Honour upon the Families who had adhered to the Unity of the Empire". As a result of Dorchester's statement, the printed militia rolls carried the notation:

"Those Loyalists who have adhered to the Unity of the Empire, and joined the Royal Standard before the Treaty of Separation in the year 1783, and all their Children and their Descendants by either sex, are to be distinguished by the following Capitals, affixed to their names: U.E. Alluding to their great principle The Unity of the Empire."

Because most of the nations of the Iroquois had allied with the British, which had ceded their lands to the United States, thousands of Iroquois and other pro-British Native Americans were expelled from New York and other states. They were also resettled in Canada. Many of the Iroquois, led by Joseph Brant Thayendenegea, settled at Six Nations of the Grand River, the largest First Nations Reserve in Canada. A smaller group of Iroquois led by Captain John Deserontyon Odeserundiye, settled on the shores of the Bay of Quinte in modern-day southeastern Ontario.Music

Black Loyalist wood cutter at Shelburne, Nova Scotia in 1788.

The government settled some 3,500 Black Loyalists in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, but they faced discrimination and inadequate support.[9] Delays in making land grants aggravated racist tensions in Shelburne. Mobs of white Loyalists attacked Black Loyalists in the Shelburne Riots in July 1784, Canada's first recorded race riot.[10] The government was slow to survey the land of Black Loyalists (which meant they could not settle); it also was discriminatory in granting them smaller, poorer and more remote lands than those of white settlers. This increased their difficulties in getting established.[11] The majority of Black Loyalists in Canada were refugees from the South; they suffered from the harsh winters and discrimination.

 

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, July 8, 2018 8:54 PM

Now here's a fascinating website for those interested in the American Loyalists...

http://www.royalprovincial.com/

Started by Todd Braisted, a New Jersey historian and Revolutionary War re-enactor, it's an amazing history of the Loyalists during and after the war.  Well worth a look!  As a student of the Revolution I find it fascinating.

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Posted by Uncle_Bob on Sunday, July 8, 2018 9:00 PM

CSSHEGEWISCH

"Political correctness" is a buzzphrase usually used by the radical right to complain about expectations of common courtesy and decency in public discourse.

Too bad for you that the phrase was first used in Stalin's USSR to describe what could be said, and how; any other beliefs were "incorrect," and could lead to a trip to a gulag.  

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Posted by Miningman on Sunday, July 8, 2018 9:13 PM

Firelock-- What a great website. It's amazing what groups are out there, some kind of dedication. Wonder if 200 years from now there are groups dedicated to studying what a bunch of knobs we are!

...you know this puts things into good perspective regarding the rail line and the Port of Churchill. Governments should be there in full 100% support with no concern for anything but the support of the people and an eye to the future. 

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Posted by Miningman on Friday, July 20, 2018 5:50 PM

Everyone pointing fingers at each other! The misery continues. 

Owner of rail line to Churchill appeals order to fix flood-damaged tracks

Legal fight continues as rail line remains broken, tensions still high in remote Manitoba town

 
In its appeal, Hudson Bay Rail claims the Canadian Transportation Agency neglected to take into account that the company isn't responsible for the extensive damage caused by a 'once-in-200-years' flood, nor does it have the estimated $43.5 million needed to make the repairs. (Omnitrax)
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A federal agency is overstepping its authority in ordering repairs be made to flood-damaged train tracks to Churchill, argues rail line owner Omnitrax-Hudson Bay Rail.

The Denver-based company filed an appeal with the Federal Court of Canada July 9 in hopes of having a Canadian Transportation Agency order to fix the tracks overturned.

CBC News obtained the document from the Federal Court of Appeal.

Omnitrax-Hudson Bay Rail has been trying to unload the rail line after it was seriously damaged more than 400 days ago in a 2017 spring flood.

Omitrax argues the unforeseeable flood hit as Hudson Bay Rail — which Omnitrax owns — was on the brink of financial insolvency. It has so far "had difficulty in securing funding" for the "enormous" costs associated with repairs, states the appeal.

Ever since the flood, the lack of rail shipment access has driven up food and fuel costs and harmed local businesses in the community of about 900, located 1,000 kilometres north of Winnipeg.

The company has also been involved in legal disputes with the federal government over who should pay for the rail line repairs since last year. Meanwhile, tension continues to build among locals over the delays.

"The bottom line is, this rail line needs to get fixed," said Manitoba NDP Leader Wab Kinew.

 
Opposition Manitoba NDP Leader Wab Kinew says he is open to working with the Progressive Conservative government to pressure Omnitrax-Hudson Bay Rail to fix the tracks. (CBC)

"Every day that there is a delay, and every day that goes by without getting the rail line fixed means another day of high gas prices and high food costs for people in Churchill, which is to say nothing of the people who are either out of work or laid off because of this whole ongoing battle."

CTA, Omnitrax go to court

In June, based on a complaint launched by the Opposition Manitoba NDP, the Canadian Transportation Agency concluded Omnitrax had abdicated its responsibility to the public in not getting started on repairs by November 2017. 

The agency, which is an independent tribunal of the federal government, issued an order requiring the company to get started on repairs by July 3 and get them done "as expeditiously as possible."

Last Friday, having learned the company had not begun repairs, the CTA went a step further and filed an order with the Federal Court of Canada compelling Omnitrax-Hudson Bay Rail to fix the rail line.

In response, the company states in its appeal the order "significantly oversteps the [CTA's] remedial jurisdiction" under the Canada Transportation Act.

Hudson Bay Rail claims the CTA neglected to take into account that the company isn't responsible for the extensive damage caused by a "once-in-200-years" flood, nor does it have the estimated $43.5 million needed to make the repairs.

 
The washed-out rail line has resulted in economic hardship in Churchill. (John Woods/The Canadian Press)

"HBR has tried to find financing for the repairs but its efforts have, to date, been fruitless," the appeal reads.

The order also didn't clearly explain the nature of the repairs that were supposed to have begun by the CTA's July 3 deadline, the appeal states, and is "incapable of being complied with."

Based on its financial situation, Hudson Bay Rail says it isn't obligated to make the repairs under the Canada Transportation Act, which states a company's "financial necessities are of the first order of concern" when determining what duty it has to deliver service.

Negotiations back on: Omnitrax

The company declined to provide a statement regarding its Federal Court appeal of the CTA order.

Hudson Bay Rail officials have maintained the lifeline to Churchill should be treated as a public utility because it is no longer commercially viable.

It has nonetheless been in purchase talks with a consortium representing northern communities and First Nations — Missinippi Rail Partners — along with Fairfax Financial Holdings and AGT Food and Ingredients. 

The sale of the rail line has turned into a saga of its own, with negotiations falling apart and coming back together at various times, coming undone once again last week.

As of Monday, Hudson Bay Rail president Sergio Sabatini said negotiations are back on and include talks about the repair process.

Meanwhile, Kinew says he doesn't believe Omnitrax intends to fix the rail line.

"Looks like they're trying to come up with all kinds of excuses — they're broke, they can't get a deal to sell the thing — but when that order to fix the rail line came down, it didn't say, 'Fix the rail line if you can find a suitable buyer.' It didn't say, 'Fix the rail line if you can make money on it.' It said, 'Fix the rail line or else.'" 

He added the NDP is confident the order should be upheld and his party is prepared to go to court.

"Since the carrot of getting a deal to sell the rail line seems to be off the table for now, then we think it's important to pursue the stick of going to court," Kinew said. "We're prepared to stand up for people in Manitoba."

Kinew also said the Progressive Conservative provincial government should have pressured the company to get the rail line functioning again.

He said if Premier Brian Pallister and his government want to get on board with the NDP fight, they're more than welcome.

The PCs have in the past claimed rail lines and ports fall under federal jurisdiction.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, July 21, 2018 10:52 AM

Depending on how the purchase contract is written we believe OMNITRAX is fully responsible for repairs.  They knew or should have known the possible pitfalls of buying the line and should be held responsible up to and including having to go bankrupt.  Bet they did not buy catastrophic insurance ?.   

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, July 21, 2018 4:08 PM

It just goes on and on.  Maybe it's not my place to say this as an outsider, but remember this at election time Manitobans, and the rest of you in the other Provinces, next time it could be you.

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Posted by Miningman on Saturday, July 21, 2018 4:41 PM

You bet Firelock! The Federal Government is going to be in trouble come election time. However, no one is stepping up and taking charge. Everyone involved wants someone else to pay for it.

This requires decisive action. Here's the money, fix it. Here's more money, now get lost. Here's the railroad, run it. 

I think either the Manitoba govt or Federal should do exactly that and stop all the nonsense. 

Can you imagine the Chinese stepping in and shipping to and from the Port of Churchill. They would do that in a heartbeat. Unfortunately or fortunately they cannot have majority ownership. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, July 21, 2018 4:57 PM

Miningman
You bet Firelock! The Federal Government is going to be in trouble come election time. However, no one is stepping up and taking charge. Everyone involved wants someone else to pay for it.

This requires decisive action. Here's the money, fix it. Here's more money, now get lost. Here's the railroad, run it. 

I think either the Manitoba govt or Federal should do exactly that and stop all the nonsense. 

Can you imagine the Chinese stepping in and shipping to and from the Port of Churchill. They would do that in a heartbeat. Unfortunately or fortunately they cannot have majority ownership. 

Aren't the Inuit (First Nations) and Chinese a common people that utilized a land bridge until about 10K years ago?

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Posted by samfp1943 on Saturday, July 21, 2018 7:43 PM

Note: The following quote is from the post[in part] posted by Miningman on Friday, July 20, 2018 5:50 PM, in this topic: "...The Denver-based company [OMNITRAX] bought the Hudson Bay line along with the port of Churchill in 1997. It has been attempting to sell it since May 2017 when it was heavily damaged and rendered unusable by severe flooding.

A tentative deal was in the works with a consortium that includes two groups representing northern communities and First Nations — One North and Missinippi Rail LP, operating together as Missinippi Rail Partners — along with Fairfax Financial Holdings and AGT Food and Ingredients.

That was announced at the end of May but both sides said there remained a number of legal issues to be resolved before the sale — which would leave the new owners with the responsibility for repairs — was finalized.."

A couple of thoughts on this 'situation' come to mind:

First. Omnitrax bought the HBR, and The Port in 1997. It would be interesting to see how much they have spent,"...To make improvement, and maintenace on the railroad(?). Were they just 'holding that asset, and simply, bleeding it of money, (a la a Hedge fund)?  And at some point, salvaging out the northern part of the line? That would seem to be a real strategic problem for the Canadian Govt.?

Second. Port of Churchill would be a 'plum' ripe for the Chinese to add  their  international infrastructure funding projects(?). The HBR, a bonus for them as well? Jimmy Carter opened the doors in 1978 with two treaties that got US out of Panama; in 1999 the Clinton administration lowered the US Flag. Panama [passed their'Neutality act' [law#5], and a Chinese company hutchinson Whampoa 'bought' the two ports of Christobal(Atlantic) and Balboa(Pacific).

See link @ http://eagleforum.org/psr/1999/nov99/psrnov99.html

"...The Carter-Torrijos Treaties, bad as they were, gave the United States the right to defend the Panama Canal militarily. The Chinese leases, however, will make it impossible to do this without directly confronting the Chinese Communist regime.."      My 2 Cents Just some thoughts, as neither, Canadian or American Governments seem to be able to look over the horizons?Whistling

 

 

 

 


 

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Posted by Miningman on Saturday, July 21, 2018 8:45 PM

Good work sampf1943 and a great posting. This is about sovereignty yet the Federal govt either doesn't care, they are recklessly foolish or there is a hidden agenda. If something like China actually occurred and acquired the Port and the rail line they will eventually claim their own sovereignty and begin control of the Arctic itself.

By the way our Prime Minister, an ex snow board instructor and part time drama teacher, has fawned over and admired Chairman Mao endlessly. Even erected a statue and park to him in an out of the way place frequented by the politico class. He has demonstrated his inability to be the PM over and over, it is only his name that gave him the leadership. That in itself is alarming. 

As I've mentioned previously the Lotto jackpot, currently 39 million, is larger than the cost of repairing the line estImated at 30 million. The Native folk say they can do it for 10. This is not about money, it's something else, the money is an excuse.

So something is really rotten and stinks over this. Our media leans heavily one way and the State broadcaster CBC is simply the mouthpiece for the government. We have a few good columnists here and there, but it is scary. The majority are sheeple. People are waking up, especially since several PR disasters and foolish behaviour. 

Thanks for the post.

Balt-- I think DNA shows high % Mongol. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, July 21, 2018 9:13 PM

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Balt-- I think DNA shows high % Mongol. 

I think I heard or read somewhere that 15% of the World's inhabitants carry DNA from Gingis Kahn the leader of the Mongol hords (he seemed to have a thing for women) with Mongolia being the Northern area that has been politically separated from China

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, July 21, 2018 9:30 PM

Miningman, your PM actually erected a statue of Chairman Mao?  A monster responsible for the death of millions?  Oh brother.   I surmise he didn't discuss it with Canadian veterans of the Korean War who fought against Mao's minions.

And people whine about Mr. Trump.  Good Lord.

And you know something?  I'll bet if they turned the Canadian Army's engineers loose on that rail line they'd have it up and running again in two weeks.

And then send OmniTrax the bill! 

 

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Posted by SD70Dude on Saturday, July 21, 2018 9:44 PM

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And you know something?  I'll bet if they turned the Canadian Army's engineers loose on that rail line they'd have it up and running again in two weeks.

We used to have a whole Crown Corporation devoted to doing such things.

It was called the Canadian National Railway.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Saturday, July 21, 2018 9:48 PM

Are these the statues?

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/art-sculpture-in-richmond-sparks-debate-1.468599

I'm not finding anything else when I search for Canadian Mao statues.

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Posted by Miningman on Saturday, July 21, 2018 10:00 PM

No!... somewhere North of Toronto in cottage country, pretty sure near Muskoka, possibly outside of and North of Orilia. Built to appease a Chinese trade and culture delegation. The article was in the National Post. 

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Posted by SD70Dude on Saturday, July 21, 2018 10:10 PM

Is it near Gravenhurst, the hometown of Norman Bethune?

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Posted by Miningman on Saturday, July 21, 2018 10:13 PM

That could well be!

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Posted by SD70Dude on Saturday, July 21, 2018 10:27 PM

I still can't find anything about Mao statues, but Gravehurst has a statue of Norman Bethune and a museum dedicated to him, and is a popular tourist attraction with Chinese visitors and officials.  But there has been some controversy:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/in-remembrance-of-how-easy-it-is-to-forget/article757630/

https://www.muskokaregion.com/news-story/6833924-muskoka-museum-shares-dr-bethune-s-story-for-40-years/

Bethune was a favourite of Mao.

The Chinese gave a statue of Bethune to the city of Montreal, where it is located in a small inner-city park:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Bethune_Square

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Posted by Miningman on Sunday, July 22, 2018 12:15 AM

Sorry I did not reply earlier, started to but the battery on my iPad died... it is getting weaker by the week. 

I will try to find the article .. I'm going by memory, but it caused quite a hoopla. I'm wondering if it was a temporary thing.. can't quite recall. 

The Bethune monument was permanent.

 

 

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:27 AM

That "Mini-Mao" statue is hardly flattering, so as a satire (if that's what it is) I suppose it's OK.  Maybe.  I can't read the artist's mind.

That Lenin bust looks like pure Soviet propaganda.

By the way, do you know Lenin had a term for Westerners who embraced the Communist line?  "Useful idiots."

Lenin was no good either, don't kid yourselves, he was all about power.  "The Romanov's have it, I want it, and when I get it I'm not givin' it back!"

The only good thing you can say about him is he wasn't as psycho as Stalin.

Things are a bit different in Russia now.  If Lenin heard something like this it'd kill him all over again!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvMDZag8-DE

 

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Posted by samfp1943 on Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM

Firelock76

That "Mini-Mao" statue is hardly flattering, so as a satire (if that's what it is) I suppose it's OK.  Maybe.  I can't read the artist's mind.

That Lenin bust looks like pure Soviet propaganda.

By the way, do you know Lenin had a term for Westerners who embraced the Communist line?  "Useful idiots."

Lenin was no good either, don't kid yourselves, he was all about power.  "The Romanov's have it, I want it, and when I get it I'm not givin' it back!"

The only good thing you can say about him is he wasn't as psycho as Stalin.

Things are a bit different in Russia now.  If Lenin heard something like this it'd kill him all over again!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvMDZag8-DE

                  Wayne(Firelock76)  Thanks for the link!  Really,well done Bow

But as a counterpoint, and a little flight of fancy for Lenin, or maybe,even Marx(?). They might have used this next to relax by? Whistling "Tchaikovsky. Slave march, op.31"   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq56cAtguiw 

 Oh, Well, Sunday morning and the local fish wrapper has not arrived yet? Some music is soothing. Whistling

 

 


 

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:46 AM

Man, is that conductor cool or what?  I looked him up, and he (Alexi Karabanov) is a captain in the Russian navy, their top music man if I understand correctly.

Oh, the YouTube poster got it wrong, it's not the "Slave March,"  it's the "Slavic March," also known as the "Marche Slav."  Tchaikovsky wrote it in the late 19th Century as an ode to pan-Slavic unity.  Good piece of music!

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Posted by Deggesty on Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:09 PM

Thank you, Sam. Yes, Wayne, it is the "Slavic March," has nothing to do with slaves except for the similarity of the two words.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Monday, July 23, 2018 7:42 AM

I've read elsewhere that the line to Churchill was the last location where grain was being shipped in boxcars, mostly because the line could not support the weight of the covered hoppers being used in the rest of North America.

Assuming that the new owners have enough cash available to upgrade the line to 286K standards, is the shipping season at the Port of Churchill long enough to justify such an expense?

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Posted by samfp1943 on Friday, August 24, 2018 10:28 AM

BaltACD

"...It would seem that the Canadian government is adopting an American response to problems 'thoughts and prayers'..."

As BaltACD had noted! Here is apparently, the Rest of the Story(?) So it seems that at least for now there will be a positive outcome for the folks who will survive as the HBL is,at least, for now is getting a new 'life'.  As repairs (and funding) are now coming into the political pipeline. It is a shame it took so long, while keeping the people who depended on that line for their goods and services,in the dark; so to speak(?)

     From an article in TRAINS Newswire of this date;[Note], Reposted from from an article in The Winnipeg Free Press dated 08/22/2018:

WFP Article was linked @:https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/federal-money-for-consortium-takeover-of-churchill-port-rail-waiting-for-omnitrax-to-sign-deal-491497161.html

FTA:"...OTTAWA — The federal government has approved a financial package for the northern Manitoba consortium angling to take over Churchill’s railway and port, suggesting a deal could be imminent ahead of a planned visit to Winnipeg from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau next month.

The federal Treasury Board has approved funds for the consortium, sources tell the Free Press, making that money ready for Ottawa to transfer, once Denver-based Omnitrax signs a takeover deal.

 

 


 

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, August 27, 2018 3:10 PM

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Posted by Firelock76 on Monday, August 27, 2018 5:42 PM

I hope so, but we'll have to hear from our friends north of the border to find out if it does, or how the whole deal plays out.

Seems to me as far as the American media is concerned Canada might as well not exist.

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