Some foreign steam

[daveklepper]

Without the edit button, cannot efficiently post the photos themselves, but you can contact Mike if you want them, and he may be glad to hear from you.  The icons may suffice, anyway.

Dear all, 

  Our colleague in  Melb  >>Mike< has sent us a nice review of some locomotives. The photos are great!

FYI

 

Steve

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From: Mike <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, May 25, 2018 at 12:14 AM
Subject: Angas Bulleid Vallantin etc
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G'day all,

 

 

I remember being impressed at how fast the NZR ran on narrow gauge.   After Angas and Gard designed the K class 4-8-4, following up with the improved Ka, they had a go at a light 4-8-2.   This became the J class, which in the fashion of the day was also streamlined.   But unlike the streamlined R class in Tasmania, which probably seldom outran its own smoke, the J was a genuine fast runner.   Some of them even dodged German submarines, the last being delivered form Glasgow in 1940!  The streamlining didn’t survive long, so the photo of one racing down a flat bit of the North Island Main Trunk is nice to have.

 

The Bulleid ‘Merchant Navy’ was another streamlined war engine.   Had the war and subsequent shortages not happened, maybe the maintenance crews would have managed them better.   But 21c154 was probably still working well when it erupted away from Victoria.   Famous designers don’t always get it right, and can be pig headed.   M. Vallantin’s 241A was intended to haul heavy trains at speed, with an axle load kept to about 18½ tonnes.   It performed very well and its semi streamlining was a publicity hit; earning the epithet ‘Le Cigare’.   Yet despite being too powerful for the frames and crank axle, Vallantin kept building them until the embarrassment of hot bearings became too much.   Like Bulleid’s Pacifics, they performed very well when rebuilt, and they were the inspiration of the magnificent 241P.

 

While ‘printing’ the photo of T204 covered in boiler scum, it occurred to me that they were quite a unique engine, at least to look at.   I don’t think anything quite like them could be found elsewhere.   The same goes for many Australasian steam locomotives; we had a surfeit of variety.   British designs in foreign hands collected all sorts of add-ons which made them quite distinctive – witness the Turkish Mikado.   But at home the uncluttered appeal of a British locomotive like the D20 is hard to beat.

 

Irish gauge!   What an amazing collection of rolling stock rattled around Ireland.   The 0-6-0 in the attached photo was a one-off (it seems), and the carriages are vestiges from the First Age.   Ireland must have been to Great Britain what Tasmania was to the mainland – a fascinating jumble of rolling stock winding its way through pretty scenery.

 

The Center for Railroad Photography and Art has released a few rippers by Donald Furler.   I also include one of a huge Santa Fe 4-8-4, uploaded with no data at all, but I’ve made an educated guess of the location and time.   Maybe someone in California will nail it.

 

We flew home from Bahrain via Israel, where I finally managing to travel on the old line to Jerusalem, accompanied by much flange groaning and squealing; not surprising given it was initially built to metre gauge.   From Lod to Bangkok overnight in economy is not a comfortable ride, but consider the Dewoitine D.338, which flew this way before the war.   I bought a pair of sound cancelling headphones, but the intrepid passengers on Air France must have experienced a very noisy week!   Things improved post war, and the huge Boeing 707 (or so we thought at the time) was quite luxurious for a while, although they did have to stop a lot, including Bahrain.   Pity QANTAS don’t land there now, as it’s much nicer than Dubai.

 

Enjoy,

Michael

 

 

Captions:

   

New Zealand Railways streamlined J class 4-8-2 Mountain rolls an eleven car express on the North Island Main Trunk near Frankton Junction, circa 1946.

 

Southern Railway 21C1 'Merchant Navy' class 3-cylinder 4-6-2 Pacific No.21c154 departing London Victoria with the 'Thanet Belle' for Ramsgate in 1948.

 

Chemins de fer de Paris à Lyon et à la Méditerranée (PLM) 241A class 4-cylinder compound 4-8-2, nick-named 'le Cigare' (Schneider du Creusot, 1925), one of the first of its wheel arrangement in Europe, designed under supervision of M. René Georges Ernest Vallantin.  A striking and powerful design, the boiler was excellent but the crank axle and frames were inadequate and had to be redesigned.  Unknown location and date.   http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/peclegg/sncf/articles/article_2009_05.html

 

South Australian Railways T class 4-8-0 No.204 (James Martin, 1912) with an empty ore train for Broken Hill.   Silver-lead-zinc ore was the main traffic on the 3'6" gauge Peterborough Division. circa 1951.

 

Turkish State Railways (Türkiye Cumhuriyeti Devlet Demiryolları - TCDD) 2-8-2 Mikado No.46104 (Robert Stephenson, 1929, one of six for the Ottoman Railway Company) at Izmir, 1975.

 

London North Eastern Railway William Worsdell designed D20 class 4-4-0 No.2026 (Gateshead, 1900, for the North Eastern Railway) leaving York with a secondary express made up with ex-NER non-corridor clerestory and elliptical roof carriages.  Unknown date, possibly mid 1930's.

 

Belfast & County Down 0-6-0 No.26 (Beyer, Peacock, 1892) with Train No.10 pausing at Comber. 7th September 1935.   Photo: Colin Little.

 

Erie N-2 class USRA 2-8-2 'Heavy Mikado' No.3212 (Alco,1918) pilots older N-1 class Mikado No.3018 (Baldwin, 1912) through Waldwick, New Jersey on Valentine’s Day, 14th February, 1943.   Photo: Donald Furler.   Copyright: Center for Railroad Photography & Art.

 

Erie K5a class 4-6-2 No.2938 with the 'Erie Limited' just outside photographer Furler's home at Glen Rock, New Jersey. 1st June1943.   Photo: Donald Furler.   Copyright: Center for Railroad Photography & Art.

 

Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe 2900 class 4-8-4 Northern No.2926, probably with the 'Grand Canyon Limited' near Victorville, California. circa 1947.

 

Air France Dewoitine D.338 tri-motor F-AOZA soon after delivery in May 1936.   Initially used between Paris and Cannes, on 10th August 1938 D.338's opened the Far East service from Marignane (Marseille) to Hong Kong, with stops at Tunis, Tripoli, Benghazi, Cairo, Beirut, Baghdad, Basra, Bushehr, Djask, Karachi, Jodhpur, Allahabad, Calcutta, Akyab, Rangoon, Bangkok, Saigon and Hanoi.   On this route they were configured with six seats and six sleeping berths.   Those flying the Trans-Sahara route from Toulouse to Dakar had 15 seats, and on European services a 22 seat version was used. (Clouds added).

 

QANTAS B-707-138  VH-EBG (Boeing, 1959), BOAC DH-106 Comet-4 G-APDC (De-Havilland, 1958), four of  QANTAS's sixteen Lockheed L-1049 Super Constellations, a Canadian Pacific DC-6B and a L-1049 of another airline at Sydney Kingsford Smith airport, circa 1961.   Photo: QANTAS.

 

 

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[samfp1943]

So on the basis of this Thread's title: I hope you will permit me to add this candidate.    LNER's 4472 The Flying Sctsman, which ran an amazing 15,000 mile tour in the United States from 1969 to 1973. From East to West and South to North. 

YouTube Video from the 1969/70 North American Tour :

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzN72RNuP6c

and a follow on video of her return from California to Britain @

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StwuL4_W1Vs

 [ Just to note:  Apparently, the 'cowcatcher' was applied to 4472 before she left England. The Pyle headlamp, Bell and whistle were loaned from the Southern Rwy. on whose Steam Program 4472 participated in with Alan Pegler.]

 

[daveklepper]

Although the originsl posting was made in my limited time on wide-band internet, I am now looking at the thread on the Yeshiva's limited internet, and  the icons don't show up.   I hope they show up for other readers, and perhaps I will have the opporunity tomorrow at HU Library or Litel wideband and learn!

[charlie hebdo]

daveklepper

Although the originsl posting was made in my limited time on wide-band internet, I am now looking at the thread on the Yeshiva's limited internet, and  the icons don't show up.   I hope they show up for other readers, and perhaps I will have the opporunity tomorrow at HU Library or Litel wideband and learn!

 

Nothing shows on a fast connection using Chrome.

[M636C]

I thought I might try to fill the gaps:

NZR J Class:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NZR_J_class_(1939)

Southern Railway Battle of Britain class

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR_West_Country_and_Battle_of_Britain_classes

PLM Class 241 A

This has proved very difficult:

The best I can do is the larger wheeled 241C, and even the French Wikipedia has managed to reverse the captions on the diagrams of the 241C as built in 1925 and as rebuilt in 1932. But the diagram with the cigar shaped nose is really as built,and the 241A looked like this but had the outside cylinders connected to the leading coupled axle.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/241_C_PLM_1

The South Australian T class:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Australian_Railways_T_class

That should do for now....

Peter

[M636C]

I do have to comment on the final entry, even not having seen the photo.

As a child in primary school, I saw many of the airliners approaching Sydney from the north. In 1959 I was anxious to see a Boeing 707 which represented the most modern aircraft in service. Of course I could only see aircraft that appeared outside class times and during the school day, but I remember seeing a 707 for the first time as a distant outline.

The QANTAS 707-138 had a short fuselage, (ten feet shorter) like the option of the 747SP which they purchased for the same reason, the need for trans-Pacific range. These had turbojets with silencers to reduce the noise. Later the turbofan version became available and the red and white tails appeared (and crossing the Pacific became easier with the better fuel economy). But the originals had a dark red stripe and a white tail with two red horizontal stripes.

In 2007 on a dull day, I was walking at lunchtime on a hill overlooking Canberra Airport, and to my complete amazement, a QANTAS 707-138B painted in the original scheme made a number of "touch and go"s while I stood there pretty much stunned. This was the first 707-138 and they were training crew for its flight to Longreach and the QANTAS Museum.

This is the aircraft, photographed within days of my last sight of it.

https://qfom.com.au/2017/05/18/the-signifcance-of-our-boeing-707-138-vh-ebaxba/

Cllick on the photo to expand it, it is worth it...

Peter