csx closed hump yards

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csx closed hump yards
Posted by chicagorails on Thursday, August 03, 2017 12:34 PM

what hump yards csx  shut  down.  hopefully not waycross ga

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Posted by chicagorails on Monday, August 07, 2017 7:48 AM
good none are shut down
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Posted by tree68 on Monday, August 07, 2017 8:39 AM

Actually, when all is said and done, only two will be left.  The rest will be history, although hopefully they'll be left more or less intact so they can be reactivated once EHH leaves.

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Posted by switch7frg on Monday, August 07, 2017 10:28 AM

Question I can only wonder what CSX stock will be worth  after  he  leaves. In a way Iam reminded of  a weasel in moms hen house until dad shot the weasel.

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Posted by oltmannd on Monday, August 07, 2017 1:32 PM

Generally, they are not shutting down the yards, just the humps in the yards and converting to flat switching.  I guess this means kicking cars from the back end of the bowl with skates on the retarder end of the tracks?  Or using the arrival and departure yards for classification?  

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Posted by CMStPnP on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 9:39 AM

I have no idea on the costs associated with a hump yard vs flat switching.    I would suspect flat switching is more labor intensive but maybe the maintenence costs of a hump yard exceed that.     Anyhoo, if the strategy of keeping the cars moving using manual vs automated methods works then I can see where closing the hump yards improved the bottom line.

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Posted by Deggesty on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:38 AM

CMStPnP

I have no idea on the costs associated with a hump yard vs flat switching.    I would suspect flat switching is more labor intensive but maybe the maintenence costs of a hump yard exceed that.     Anyhoo, if the strategy of keeping the cars moving using manual vs automated methods works then I can see where closing the hump yards improved the bottom line.

 

The problem is that the cars are not moving, and the customers are upset because they are not receiving the same service as before--and those who can use another way of moving their goods--which lowers the income of the railroad.

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:44 AM

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CMStPnP

I have no idea on the costs associated with a hump yard vs flat switching.    I would suspect flat switching is more labor intensive but maybe the maintenence costs of a hump yard exceed that.     Anyhoo, if the strategy of keeping the cars moving using manual vs automated methods works then I can see where closing the hump yards improved the bottom line. 

The problem is that the cars are not moving, and the customers are upset because they are not receiving the same service as before--and those who can use another way of moving their goods--which lowers the income of the railroad.

The more cars that are on the property longer, the higher the system's car hire expense.

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Posted by Deggesty on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:04 AM

Surely Mr. Harrison knows the ins and outs of yard operation and the difference between hump switching and flat switching as Balt described it; is he so senile that he has forgotten this? Or does he simply not care what happens to the railroad so long as he and his boss make oodles of money before the roof caves in?

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Posted by slotracer on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:52 AM

Waycross, Cinci and Willard humps still open. I believe all others have been closed...Selkirk, Avon, Louisville, Atlanta, Hamlet Birmingham Toledo Nashville...maybe one or two others I missed. 

 

Yes closing humps seems contrary to his goals of speed, cost cutting and efficeincy. The thing that made it clear to me that EHH has some mental health issues is the proposal to save money eliminating helpers and doubling the hill....just think that one through for two or three minutes, it's obvious Hunter did not think that through and this is more than just gereed, old Eugene has lost it in my book.

FYI, Atlanta has tanked big time once again the past two weeks due to operational changes, sorry gotta go, have to attempt to locate and slot in even more trucks to load to keep one of my plants running because of CSX Transitory minor delays from his coveted circumcision railroading

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:31 PM

Deggesty

Surely Mr. Harrison knows the ins and outs of yard operation and the difference between hump switching and flat switching as Balt described it; is he so senile that he has forgotten this? Or does he simply not care what happens to the railroad so long as he and his boss make oodles of money before the roof caves in?

It would be my opinion that he's not making these calls. Someone is looking at the books and telling him where to cut to maximize return on investment, however short-term it may be.

And clearly, that someone (or someones) has no idea how a railroad, especially this railroad, works.  All they see is dollars, and they aren't showing much sense.

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Posted by Deggesty on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:40 PM

Larry, you may well have hit upon what is happening. Someone has said to "We got you this position; now you make as much money for us as you can." And that person, without any idea at all as to what makes a railroad tick, has said, "Do this!" "Do that!"

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Posted by SFbrkmn on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 2:17 PM

The downsizing at CSX is a trend in progress across the industry. Not for the better but this is the mush we are all left with. At the start of the 2nd qtr of the yr, BNSF announced a cutback plan involving close to 20 yards. "Talk" has been heard of closing down atleast one hump terminal. That was back in May and since then nothing of the topic has been put forth.                In July the Sand Creek yd at Newton was closed--rip trk, 15 car dept positions, four shift trainmasters and two yard jobs gone. This at what had been the most efficient flat switching yard on the system. Sure there is more yet to come

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Posted by jsanchez on Sunday, August 13, 2017 12:22 AM

This is becoming a huge problem, the railroads are still thinking in cut back recesion mode, but traffic is really starting to pick up again for the first time in 10 years. CSX is not the only railroad having issues keeping traffic moving, it just has been accelerated by Hunter's stupidty of doing too much at once. The railroad industry always seems to have problems with keeping in sync with economic ups and downs. You are going to see operations expand and yards re-open shortly because the continuing growth in business will need the added capacity. I am seeing it first hand right now, dealing with cutbacks (lack of engines, yard space, shortage of crews) and being swamped with growing traffic demand.

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