Rebuilding 8 miles of the PRR in Indiana

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Rebuilding 8 miles of the PRR in Indiana
Posted by CMStPnP on Saturday, May 13, 2017 4:59 PM

Interesting slide show that shows rebuilding the former PRR in Indiana to a newly built (2012) Power Plant by Duke Energy.    Interesting to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx2q0SY7CxU

A train on the new line:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGoAcANcxKU

 

 

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Posted by MARTIN STATION on Sunday, May 14, 2017 1:01 PM

   Thanks for posting this! As one from Southern Indiana and a fan of the Indiana Southern, I really enjoyed these.

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Posted by mudchicken on Sunday, May 14, 2017 4:08 PM

Anyone with some local knowledge care to explain:

(1) How does the same piece of railroad get abandoned twice; AB5_11(x) in 1974 (Edwardsport to Vincinnes) by PCand later AB167_511N in 1982(Sanborn to Bicknell)by CR?

(2) Name of the new railroad and their STB authority? (Docket #)

(3) I have two people trying to tell me that part of that was a rail-trail now reclaimed. (who? - Can't find evidence of that)

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Monday, May 15, 2017 10:58 AM

As MC also knows:

Mischief  2 abandonments is a lot of abandonments !  (from a gambling table scene in an old Western movie: "Five aces ? That's a lot of aces !")  There are some weird circumstances (and more history is needed) where that's possible, though . . . Whistling

Both abandonments pre-date the 1983 'rail-banking' amendments to the Federal National Trails System Act, so there's no way those abandonments could have rail-trail status under the procedures of that Act . . . Grumpy

- PDN. 

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Posted by mudchicken on Monday, May 15, 2017 11:18 AM

Getting documents from the last 20 years of the ICC (ie- the data donut hole) is not an easy process and is not easilly searchable.

I know that there were changes in strip mining activities and a photo revised USGS Quad  shows a coal line going NW of Sanborn, but things are just not adding up. Compound that with knuckleheads* spouting "rails-to-trails" without knowing the actual meaning of the word, and you have corned-fusion.

 

(*) Example: You have absolutely clueless people claiming part of CR's former PC-NYC Norwalk Secondary in northern OH is Rails to Trails when it was abandoned prior (1974) to the original legislation passed in 1976 and long before the enabling amendments (PDN's comment) appeared in 1983. What's really bad is local county government bought into the hoax. Surveyors get to deal with this now along with some of the government railroad land grant baloney pushed by historians with a political agenda (and NARPO's nutcases) and the constant issues with adverse possession pushed by dimestore lawyers.

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Posted by rrnut282 on Monday, May 15, 2017 1:52 PM

Welcome to Indiana.  To further add to the confusion (if that were possible) a class action lawsiut brought about by the Indiana Farm Bureau got a judge to rule all rail R/W went to the adjoining property owners, even when the railroad had a fee simple deed for the r/w.  Really messsed with PCs ability to sell land to stay above water. 

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Posted by MP173 on Monday, May 15, 2017 3:18 PM

Grainexpress does a great job of creating videos.  He is based in the Vincennes area and has a number of interesting videos, particularly of the old B&O mainline to St. Louis which now only handles a few grain trains from Olney, Il.

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Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:30 AM

rrnut282

Welcome to Indiana.  To further add to the confusion (if that were possible) a class action lawsiut brought about by the Indiana Farm Bureau got a judge to rule all rail R/W went to the adjoining property owners, even when the railroad had a fee simple deed for the r/w.  Really messsed with PCs ability to sell land to stay above water. 

 

Mike: Until one of the Class 1's clash with Indiana in the federal courts, the nonsense will continue. The Anacostia people fought it to the state supreme court and the "homers" prevailed on perceived equity, not on the law. Lately, the state only trots out the law when they see that a Cls 1 with resources is not involved.

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Posted by cat992c on Monday, May 22, 2017 9:40 PM

Is the line near Edwardsport?

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Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:05 AM

yes

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:35 PM

[quote user="cat992c"]

Is the line near Edwardsport?

 15424 E State Rd 358, Edwardsport, IN 47528
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Posted by rrnut282 on Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:47 AM

Preach it brother.  Sounds like the same judge made a feel-good ruling again. 

I used to be enthusiastic about working on those projects.  (get paid to explore old R/Ws) Now, unless they put a gun to my head, I'm spitting downwind. 

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Posted by IslandMan on Saturday, June 03, 2017 4:04 AM

Interesting video.

Are there many (any?) other defunct lines that have been resurrected like this? A topic for a future article for Trains, perhaps.

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