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Fatal accident on Vancouver Island
Posted by SD70M-2Dude on Thursday, April 20, 2017 11:28 PM

http://globalnews.ca/news/3392493/train-accident-near-woss-lake-sends-2-to-hospital/

Two dead and several more injured.  For those who are unfamiliar with it the Englewood Railway is located on the north end of Vancouver Island and is the last logging railway in North America.  A brief video of some operations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0fBrdFGR4w

In conversation with the fellow who filmed the video he mentioned that while loading the cars they winch them back and forth with a cable, and also that the line has very steep (2-3%) grades over much of their mainline.

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Posted by Miningman on Friday, April 21, 2017 12:44 AM

Great posting. So sad and unexpected. Nice work by Global on the video and graphic's. Thanks for this. 

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Posted by cx500 on Friday, April 21, 2017 3:06 AM
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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, April 21, 2017 7:39 AM

cx500

Sounds like they needed a split rail derail, not a flop over derail.  RIP!

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Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 21, 2017 9:01 AM

-sounded more like a runaway track than a derail and the switch was not thrown. (Agreed that a split point derail is more effective than a hop-toad flopover derail, hands down)

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Posted by NDG on Friday, April 21, 2017 3:36 PM

 

 Thank You.

 

 

 

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Posted by SD70M-2Dude on Friday, April 21, 2017 11:22 PM

A third person has now died in the hospital.

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Posted by NDG on Saturday, April 22, 2017 7:19 AM

Thank You.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Saturday, April 22, 2017 11:32 AM

137' of drop (741-604) has a lot of potential speed (kinetic energy) available, enough to get to about 64 MPH if there's no friction.  So 50+ MPH is quite possible.

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, April 22, 2017 1:11 PM

And mostly straight as an arrow, except that curve at the end, which likely hid the oncoming cars until it was too late for the fellows in the hi-rail to get out of the way.

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, April 22, 2017 1:40 PM

tree68

And mostly straight as an arrow, except that curve at the end, which likely hid the oncoming cars until it was too late for the fellows in the hi-rail to get out of the way.

Cardinal rule of railroading - watch for movement in any direction at any time.

Even when 'by rule' you have the railroad.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Saturday, April 22, 2017 3:35 PM

If the reported facts are correct, the runaway cars were going far too fast to comply with even the most restrictive rule in dark territory other than an Absolute Stop - i.e., the part of the Restricted Speed rule which requires being able to stop within half the visible distance.  And even if the speeder crew was following that rule, the violation of it by those cars removed any margin of safety the crew was entitled to and might have believed they had.  For any safety, the crew would have had to have a watchman or flagmen way out ahead of it to give it sufficient warning, far more than is required or normally considered prudent under any rules.    

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, April 22, 2017 3:48 PM

I'm guessing here, but it appears that they might have been able to see 250 yards of track, tops.  For sake of simplicity, I'm using 60 mph, or 88 feet per second - that would give them eight and a half seconds to react, assuming they were watching the track that far out.

It was probably less than that.  They were essentially ambushed.

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Posted by NDG on Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:30 PM

 

Thank You.

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Posted by Norm48327 on Saturday, April 22, 2017 6:39 PM

NDG,

Lots of good (mostly unanswered, at this point)  questions in need of answers and clarification.

It is mind boggling how quiet a car with smooth wheels can be on the rails. Warning times can be measures in a few seconds only for those who are alert. Those who are complacent will pay the price.

Norm


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