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News Wire: Under Harrison, CSX of Tomorrow meets precision scheduled railroading

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Posted by cx500 on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 1:51 PM

I remember occasions back around 1980 when sometimes a very short train, four or five cars, would be run to get "shut-down" cars to GM's Oshawa assembly plants.  Those occasional trains would not have helped the statistics that seem to take priority today, but it kept the business on the rails and a major revenue stream flowing.  And without sufficient revenue there can be no profits. 

 

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Posted by Norm48327 on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 2:22 PM

You have to keep customers satisfied at a cost you can live with and still make a reasonable profit. Having fought this in the aviation industry for over thirty years I think I'm somewhat qualified to comment on the subject. You have something to offer and if the customer thinks it's reasonable you have a meeting of the minds. If not, you part ways and seek lower rates or better profits; simply the free market at work.

That said, there are hedge funds, corporate raiders  and speculators who are looking for nothing beyond short term gains at the expense of the corporations, employees, and stockholders. The almighty dollar has become the holy grail.

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 2:33 PM

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Seems as though I've read stories of auto plants shutting down due to cars not getting to a plant on time.  If the auto industry didn't run JIT, they came close, particularly as major portions of the cars started to come from different plants.

It's been several years ago and when Harrison was CEO of CN that there was a huge dust-up between them and General Motors. GM told CN what to do with their railroad and began trucking their production to a CSX facility. It cost them more to ship their cars but they had simply had enoughof Harrison's BS. That wound is still festering ad nowhere near healed. A yard sits empty because of that dispute and everyone is wondering what the final outcoe will be.

My comment is not meant to debase Harrison, but there have been times his methods have left a very acrid taste in shipper's mouths. CN has changed under new management and is still sruggling to get that contract back.

Such situations are not unique to CN - or probably most every company over time.  In Chessie days there was a dust up with Armco Steel at Ashland, KY - for a period of time Armco incured the expense of trucking their output over the Ohio River and shipping it out on NS.  Ulitmately the rift was smoothed over and the business returned to Chessie.

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Posted by BOB WITHORN on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:12 PM
tree68 said, Seems as though I've read stories of auto plants shutting down due to cars not getting to a plant on time. If the auto industry didn't run JIT, they came close, particularly as major portions of the cars started to come from different plants. Flint's truck plant's version of JIT is CN keeps the inventory stored in the yard a 1/2 mile away and delivers it JIT
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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 5:59 PM

That Flint truck plant arrangement makes a lot of sense: It's a lot faster and cheaper to move 1 boxcar with X dozen or Y hundred of parts in it just 1 time, than to have them unloaded and stored someplace in the plant, and then have to move them all again 1 at a time with a forklift; this is the basic rationale of Just-In-Time.

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Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 6:09 PM

Paul_D_North_Jr

That Flint truck plant arrangement makes a lot of sense: It's a lot faster and cheaper to move 1 boxcar with X dozen or Y hundred of parts in it just 1 time, than to have them unloaded and stored someplace in the plant, and then have to move them all again 1 at a time with a forklift; this is the basic rationale of Just-In-Time.

- PDN. 

 

I understood that the basic rationale of JIT was that it reduced the inventory on hand, especially when your company reported the value of stock on hand and paid tax accordingly. One quarter ending I was complimented on having a low stock level, and so arranged for stock to be replenished after the first of the quarter. 

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Posted by Norm48327 on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 6:58 PM

Johnny,

That is my understanding too. Inventory in transit is not taxed. If it's on the property, it is. That's why JIT makes sense. It doesn't belong to the railroad as they are simply transporting it and the receiving company doesn't have it on hand to tax. The politicians will soon figure a way around that so they get their cut. Pure unadulterated greed.

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Posted by seppburgh2 on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 7:02 PM

I belive that would be a value added tax.  A tax on the product when it ships from the seller all the way up to when the customer. 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:34 PM

Know of one JIT delivery.  Ran an empty B-727 from Mia - Rio ( yes Brazil ) picked up load of Crysler parts to go to Detroit.  Used 3 crews to carry about 12,000 # of fenders.  So it can get bad.  

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:41 PM

Had a great example of CSX's precision RR ing.  Westbound BNSF intermodal haulage train crew went dead on HOS at about 0400,  Train 2 splits clearing our two crossing and was not picked up until abou 2:00 PM when recombining started. Crews for this haulage are Biringham based.

All this just ~ 37 miles from originating yard at Fairburn.

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:58 PM

blue streak 1
Had a great example of CSX's precision RR ing.  Westbound BNSF intermodal haulage train crew went dead on HOS at about 0400,  Train 2 splits clearing our two crossing and was not picked up until abou 2:00 PM when recombining started. Crews for this haulage are Biringham based.

All this just ~ 37 miles from originating yard at Fairburn.

What else was going on on the Linveville Sub?  I can undersand the BNSF intermodals expiring around Parkwood account HOS.  But at LaGrange means, to me, there was some situation on the Lineville Sub that was the cause.  Being retired I don't know the facts, but I did have the Atlanta Division as my territory for a number of years.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:17 PM

BaltACD
 

What else was going on on the Linveville Sub?  I can undersand the BNSF intermodals expiring around Parkwood account HOS. 

 
Sorry did not explain more.  Had additional BNSF intermodals in both directions passing the dead train.  Suspect that a crew came from Birminghan - Fairburn - then back southwest till died on the law ?  Crew may have laid over at local motel which has happened before ?

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