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Posted by schlimm on Wednesday, June 1, 2016 1:31 PM

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Posted by wanswheel on Wednesday, June 1, 2016 1:41 PM

Excerpt from Cabs by George Hart, Railroad Magazine, Oct. 1943 (Thanks Doug!)

Changes in boiler design frequently brought about new cab forms. In 1877, for example, John E. Wootten, general manager of the Philadelphia & Reading, amazed visitors who thronged the railroad displays of an international exposition in Paris, with a curious little ten-wheeler having an extraordinarily large firebox. In accordance with the current belief that a large grate was an asset in anthracite burners, this engine, the 408 [sic], employed a firebox seven feet six and three-quarters inches wide by eight and one-half feet long. The conventional type of cab was perched high over this abnormality.

People scoffed at the engine’s ungainly appearance, so Wootten arranged a test run on the Northern Railway of France to show them his engine could perform well despite her dubious profile. The height of the cab atop that big firebox caused the 408 to exceed clearances on the road. Nothing daunted, the American railroad official had the shelter, controls and all, moved forward to the middle of the boiler, while running board was provided on either side of the barrel, reaching back to the floor-plate on the tender.

Thus was born the Mother Hubbard or Camelback locomotive. With this type of power the engineer occupies the traditional right-hand side of the cab while the fireman sits on the left. The boiler between them prevents the two from getting very chummy. Besides, the fireman only sits in his half of the cab when he isn’t busy wielding the scoop. There’s a reason for this cab provision. The I.C.C., which some years ago outlawed Camelbacks but has given certain roads permission to extend their use until shortages of motive power could or can be met, has also stipulated that firemen must have shelter from the elements.

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Posted by rcdrye on Thursday, June 2, 2016 8:49 AM

While the "Mother Hubbard" camelback may not have been built until the 1870s, Winan's "Camel" dates to the 1840s, complete with all of the undesireable features of later camelbacks, along with several of its own.  Reading had several, so the idea wasn't unknown there.  The Camel was an early attempt to burn bituminous coal, before the firebrick arch made it practical in ordinary fireboxes.

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Posted by wanswheel on Thursday, June 2, 2016 10:12 AM

Speaking of coaled pizza, who knew Clara Barton had a sideline.

 

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, June 2, 2016 10:26 AM

Most of the time the fireman was back behind the firebox in a separate partial-shelter semi-cab using his shovel.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Thursday, June 2, 2016 6:21 PM

Wanswheel you're incredible!  How do you come up with this stuff?

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Posted by wanswheel on Friday, June 3, 2016 10:55 AM

Well thanks, Firelock! Yes, pathologically incredible. Google dredges up all this obscure stuff. I expected Red Cross ranges would be about the real Red Cross setting up field kitchens or something.

 

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, June 3, 2016 1:58 PM

The company that made Red Cross stoves, etc, was founded ca 1867 (and went out of business in 1930).  The American Red Cross didn't come into being until 1881.  

Nowadays, Clara would have been sued for copyright infringement...

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Posted by Deggesty on Friday, June 3, 2016 2:08 PM

The International Committe of the Red Cross was founded in 1863; who is the infringer of a copyright? Remember that Clara Barton became famous during the Crimean War (10/1853-3/1856).

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Posted by Deggesty on Friday, June 3, 2016 2:14 PM

No, Clara Barton was an American who served in Union hospitals during the War for Southern Independence.

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, June 3, 2016 2:50 PM

Deggesty
International Committe of the Red Cross

Aha!  I looked at the American Red Cross.  Shoulda looked deeper.

Regardless - I'm betting it was coincidence.  

 

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Posted by MidlandMike on Friday, June 3, 2016 8:37 PM

Deggesty

The International Committe of the Red Cross was founded in 1863; who is the infringer of a copyright? Remember that Clara Barton became famous during the Crimean War (10/1853-3/1856).

 

Was that Florence Nightengale?

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Posted by Deggesty on Friday, June 3, 2016 8:48 PM

MidlandMike

 

 
Deggesty

The International Committe of the Red Cross was founded in 1863; who is the infringer of a copyright? Remember that Clara Barton became famous during the Crimean War (10/1853-3/1856).

 

 

 

Was that Florence Nightengale?

 

Yes, it was Florence Nightengale, who had great compassion on the wounded British soldiers. 

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Posted by wanswheel on Friday, June 3, 2016 9:02 PM

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, June 4, 2016 8:29 AM

Do a You Tube search "Voice of Florence Nightengale" if you want to hear what she sounded like.  Believe it or not her voice was recorded in the 1880's on an Edison wax cylinder.  Not like hearing the voice of a ghost, but close to it.

On and on that red cross "controversy"...

I enlarged the stove company catalog just to see what kind of a cross they used.  It's a "cross patee'," similar to the Iron Cross we all know so well.  The Red Cross organization uses what's referred to as a "Greek cross," four arms of equal length and straight sided.  The Germans used to call it a "Balkankreutz."  Henri Dunant, the founder of the International Red Cross took the flag of his native Switzerland and flipped the colors to get his institutional symbol

Thought everyone would enjoy this bit of otherwise useless knowledge.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Saturday, June 4, 2016 8:42 AM

Firelock76

Do a You Tube search "Voice of Florence Nightengale" if you want to hear what she sounded like.  Believe it or not her voice was recorded in the 1880's on an Edison wax cylinder.  Not like hearing the voice of a ghost, but close to it.

On and on that red cross "controversy"...

I enlarged the stove company catalog just to see what kind of a cross they used.  It's a "cross patee'," similar to the Iron Cross we all know so well.  The Red Cross organization uses what's referred to as a "Greek cross," four arms of equal length and straight sided.  The Germans used to call it a "Balkankreutz."  Henri Dunant, the founder of the International Red Cross took the flag of his native Switzerland and flipped the colors to get his institutional symbol

Thought everyone would enjoy this bit of otherwise useless knowledge.

 

THANKS, FIRELOCK 76  and Wanswheel

     Interesting stuff ! BUT Bang Head the American Red Cross  is not on my Christmas Card list....Since '67 and '68 in RVN...  

 

 


 

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Posted by Deggesty on Saturday, June 4, 2016 11:05 AM

Sam, I think it was even in the forties that the Red Cross was accused of selling doughnuts.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, June 4, 2016 11:17 AM

During World War One it was the YMCA that was on the Doughboys and Marines "....-list."  Long story, I'll tell it if anyone's interested.

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Posted by wanswheel on Saturday, June 4, 2016 11:30 AM

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Posted by wanswheel on Sunday, June 5, 2016 1:06 AM

Clemson University history professor Roger Grant

http://www.independentmail.com/news/clemson-professor-made-a-career-of-railroads-2d557af3-fae3-743f-e053-0100007f4299-371217481.html

read this poem on C-SPAN, from an ad for Illinois Traction Co.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?405378-1/interurban-electric-rail

AFTER A RIDE OF A DAY AND NIGHT,

OVER THE ROAD OF ANTHRACITE,

PHOEBE SNOW AND HER FIVE SISTERS

RUBBED AND SCRUBBED TILL THEY HAD BLISTERS.

STEAM ROADS ARE OUT OF DATE, SAID THEY,

WE’LL HAVE TO TRAVEL SOME OTHER WAY.

TOMORROW TO SPRINGFIELD WE WILL GO,

DRESSED ALL IN WHITE FROM HEAD TO TOE.

WHEN PHOEBE SAID, I MUST CONFESS 

I’VE HEARD OF THIS ROAD, ITS SERVICE FINE,

IT‘S HARD TO BEAT AN ELECTRIC LINE.

THE CAR WAS CLEAN, THE WOODWORK BRIGHT,

THE TIPLESS PORTER TREATED THEM RIGHT.

NO DUST, NO DIRT, ALL OF WHICH SHOWS,

THERE WASN’T A SPECK ON THE SISTERS' CLOTHES.

THEY ARRIVED IN SPRINGFIELD WHITE AND CLEAN,

NOT FEELING TIRED, DIRTY AND MEAN.

SAID PHOEBE SNOW, RETIRING THAT NIGHT,

THIS BEATS THE ROAD OF ANTHRACITE.

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, June 5, 2016 8:05 AM

Well, if you're going to post that, I had a girlfriend from suburban Philadelphia who related this (it came up in conjunction with Winsor McCay, and I thought it was an amusing reference to two contemporary tropes)

When Phoebe Snow went East one night,
Upon the Road of Anthracite,
She dined on rarebit ere she left
So was of peaceful sleep bereft.
She squirmed and tossed that whole night through
As restless sleepers often do,
And ere her tummy quit a’hurtin
She’d poked her tootsies through the curtain.
Then sweetest dreams came to her, while
Soft breezes fanned them in the aisle.
 
Next morn the porter found them there
And tucked them in with zealous care;
Said he “I beg your pardon, miss
The Lackawanna can’t stand this,
We’re not objecting to their style –
You sure have Trilby beat a mile –
But folks that travel on this line
Are just the most partic’lar kind
And through the aisles they’re loath to go
Blockaded by TWO FEET OF SNOW…
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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, June 5, 2016 8:14 AM

Well, look who's back!

Hello there Overmod!

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Posted by cefinkjr on Monday, June 6, 2016 8:11 PM

RME
Out of curiosity, what's the procedure (if any) to override or resolve a conflict like this, where two rules or instructions clash?

I'm gonna guess that the ultimate rule of taking the safer course of action is going to prevail.  Which is what jeffhergert appears to have done.Yes

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