SD60MAC9500 For Great Lakes bound coal. I had always hoped the Tongue River connection would've been built. Sending loaded coal via the TR and an upgraded Sidney Line would've made a great shortcut for PRB coal to the docks at Superior, WI, instead of the current routing.
For Great Lakes bound coal. I had always hoped the Tongue River connection would've been built. Sending loaded coal via the TR and an upgraded Sidney Line would've made a great shortcut for PRB coal to the docks at Superior, WI, instead of the current routing.
The Tongue River railroad always seemed to be a no-brainer. From the mines around Decker, Montana, loaded trains climbed out of the Tongue River drainage on a 1.25% grade to the main line east of Sheridan (at Dutch) and then plummeted back into the same drainage at Sheridan, and then climbed out again on a similar grade on the hill at Parkman. Plus many extra miles.
But back in the day (1970s/1980s), BN was investing a buttload of money in the Powder River Basin and had to make hard choices. I always thought BN never got the credit it deserved for providing the country the infrastructure it needed when the coal boom took hold.
Same for the Glendive-Snowden line, except it would just be an upgrade and not new construction. As for coal trains using that route, it was 50 to 60 miles longer to Superior depending on the alternate route. The route just kind of evolved as coal traffic picked up and included the awkward situation where the roundhouse was in Glendive, but the train inspections (as well as adding back fill cars) were done in Mandan. The roundhouse at Glendive (and the yard) were beyond the switch to the Sidney line for a loaded coal train. As Dan pointed out, the route via Mandan/Bismarck was "the least-crowded" as this wasn't the transcontinental route, and route east of Snowden through Williston couldn't/ve handled the extra traffic without upgrade (but could now).
Having said that, coal routed via Sidney and Williston would have saved one locomotive over the traditional route as the maximum grade (beyond Glendive) for coal trains would be reduced from 1% to .6%. Until the mid-2010s, the operation of coal trains east of Glendive entailed cutting a locomotive at Fryburg, ND or east (when the train was by the two steepest grades) and sending it back to Glendive. Sometimes an actual helper engineer would be used; in distributed power days, the unit would just set out and picked up by a westbound train. In any event, it was quite cumbersome positioning the power back to Glendive for subsequent trains. Since then, common practice was to let all the power go through, and in July 2020, the Glendive roundhouse was closed.
The actual superior routing involves trains going the other way. From Glendive to Sandpoint, Idaho (where the ex-GN and ex-NP routes meet), it's only 4 miles further via Snowden and Havre, than via Billings and Helena. The routing via Havre and Marias Pass (maximum: a very short 1.2% grade) would be much preferred to adding a rear-end helper at Livingston (1.8% grade) and cutting in a helper midtrain at Helena (2.2% grade). But like the Tongue River railroad, the overall anticipated usage were the line from Glendive to Snowden upgraded was insufficient weighed against the cost.
--Mark Meyer
Vermontanan2 Having said that, coal routed via Sidney and Williston would have saved one locomotive over the traditional route as the maximum grade (beyond Glendive) for coal trains would be reduced from 1% to .6%.
Having said that, coal routed via Sidney and Williston would have saved one locomotive over the traditional route as the maximum grade (beyond Glendive) for coal trains would be reduced from 1% to .6%.
Vermontanan2 The Tongue River railroad always seemed to be a no-brainer.
The Tongue River railroad always seemed to be a no-brainer.
I remember hearing a lot of discussion about the Tongue River railroad in 1976. I got a decent look of the route when flying my aunt from Miles City to Sheridan that summer.
Another potential short cut could have been between Harden and Custer/Bighorn, but the savings probably didn't cover the cost to build the line.
Erik_Mag Another potential short cut could have been between Harden and Custer/Bighorn, but the savings probably didn't cover the cost to build the line.
Yes, this route from Hardin to Custer along the Big Horn River would have saved about 50 miles, but it likely was never considered because it didn't address the primary reason for the Tongue River Railroad, which was to avoid the steepest grades. The only large mines were at Decker and Spring Creek (northeast of Sheridan, WY) and without the Tongue River Railroad, loads for places like Minnesota and Wisconsin had to tackle the 1.25% grade to the main line at Dutch, drop back into the Tongue River drainage at Sheridan (on a 1.6% grade no less), and then tackle the 1.25% grade from Ranchester to Parkman. A short cut from Hardin to Custer wouldn't have changed this.
In the end, the short "new" line built from the mines to the main line at Dutch (east of Sheridan) was not only cheaper, but would still have been necessary to allow access for trains destined to places like Missouri and Texas.
All this suggests that in the end, the powers-to-be decided that there wouldn't be the volume of traffic to justify construction of the new line, and it really wouldn't be useful for anything else but coal.
One line that was built in the area was the 38-mile Sarpy Creek branch south from the ex-NP main line near Hysham. Like the proposed Tongue River Railroad, it is pretty much all downhill from the mine northeast of Hardin to the Yellowstone River, and then to Glendive. However, its lone customer now is the Sherco power plants near Becker, Minnesota, which are set to all be decommissioned by 2030. It used to supply the Big Stone power plant in South Dakota near Ortonville, MN. These used to be the only regular coal trains on the ex-Milwaukee across South Dakota, but now the plant gets its coal from a Wyoming mine, and trains operate via Lincoln, NE and Willmar, MN.
Vermontanan2... These used to be the only regular coal trains on the ex-Milwaukee across South Dakota, but now the plant gets its coal from a Wyoming mine, and trains operate via Lincoln, NE and Willmar, MN.
What traffic is left on the ex-MILW line?
MidlandMike What traffic is left on the ex-MILW line?
Vermontanan2 One line that was built in the area was the 38-mile Sarpy Creek branch south from the ex-NP main line near Hysham.
One line that was built in the area was the 38-mile Sarpy Creek branch south from the ex-NP main line near Hysham.
I remember seeing that line under construction ca 1973. My most recent trip by it was in April to attend the funeral of my aunt who I flew to Sheridan in 1976. The rails still had a shine.
One difference between that line and the others is that it was built to serve a mine that oterwise would not have had rail access. I'm guessing that there might have been more mines served by that had Montana not imposed the 30% coal severance tax.
On the southern transcon, the latest section of second track has been activated between Chelsea and CP El Dorado MP 172.8. Further grading for the final second track segment from W. Augusta to East Jct continues.
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BNSF just keeps plugging away on capacity expansion.
The second bridge over the Missouri River at Sibley, MO is gradually working its way to construction.
Do you have information on the DT project in Texas from the Alliance Yard south to Fort Worth to Cleburn, Rio Vista and Blum?
BNSF just keeps plugging away on capacity improvements.
There are several interesting short videos embedded in this article.
https://bnsf.com/news-media/railtalk/service/west-coast-commitment.html
Some good photos of the new North 1st Ave. bridge over the BNSF tracks in Barstow.
https://www.gosbcta.com/project/north-first-avenue-bridge-over-bnsf-railroad-project/
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