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Is Trains Magazine covering the latest Mythbusters Episode of self imploding tankcar?

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Is Trains Magazine covering the latest Mythbusters Episode of self imploding tankcar?
Posted by CandOforprogress2 on Saturday, March 26, 2016 1:14 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBq5uapC-e0

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Posted by erikem on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:27 AM

Perhaps you meant most recent, the Mythbusters final episodes aired a few weeks ago - ended with a bang.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 12:05 PM

CandOforprogress2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBq5uapC-e0

 

Old News...

   And it took them THREE tries to get the 'implosion' to work!Oops - Sign

 

 


 

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 12:35 PM

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And it took them THREE tries to get the 'implosion' to work!

Based on a comment in the video, I'm guessing they didn't start with a big enough vacuum pump...

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 10:23 PM

They used a truck-mounted vacuum rig that went down to negative 25 inches of mercury - and only got results after they dented the cylindrical tank.

The tank they used was a modern all-welded design.  If they had done the same thing with a transition era riveted tank it would have gone like a stepped on TP tube at about negative 15 inches.  There have been plenty of examples in videos I have seen.

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Posted by rdamon on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 9:36 AM

Where was this filmed at? 

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Posted by ndbprr on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:23 AM
Did they try to duct tape it together when they were done? Can't believe they had an episode without the tape being used.
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Posted by tomikawaTT on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 3:42 PM

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Did they try to duct tape it together when they were done? Can't believe they had an episode without the tape being used.

I seem to recall duct tape being employed, either to secure the vacuum hose to the drain connection or to stop a leak - possibly both.

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Posted by petitnj on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 5:58 PM

any tank will implode if you pump the air out. Try an aluminum pop can. Put water in the can and set the can on a stove burner. Wait until steam is coming out of the can and then, using an oven mit, flip the can over in a pan of cold water. The steam condenses and the pressure in the can drops to zero -- the can implodes. 

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Posted by NodakRanger on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 6:36 PM

Vacuum is not usually given in negative numbers. Vacuum can only be from 0 to whatever the local atmospheric pressure is. No negatives needed.

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Posted by RME on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 8:00 PM

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Vacuum is not usually given in negative numbers. Vacuum can only be from 0 to whatever the local atmospheric pressure is. No negatives needed.

Depends on whether you are using psia or psig.  Many combination pressure/vacuum gauges have the in/mm of Hg (or of water) or the kilopascals or whatever below atmospheric marked in red and reading 'counterclockwise' from zero gauge.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 9:01 PM

They didn't need a vacuum pump at all... just fill it conpletely with a semi-viscous liquid and drain it via a long hose but don't open the top pressure release valves.  Water would work but you need to have a longer hose to keep it from gulping air back through the hose to release the (negative) pressure.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 9:08 PM

rdamon

Where was this filmed at? 

 

 rdamon  Your answer is as follows. Check the following linked article: Rail News: Mechanical
"AllTranstek tackles imploding tank car legend on MythBusters TV show"

@ http://www.progressiverailroading.com/mechanical/article/AllTranstek-tackles-imploding-tank-car-legend-on-MythBusters-TV-show--47621

From Progressive Railroading by Dainel Niepow Assoc Ed. ( March 2013)

 

FTA "...One of the biggest hurdles the producers faced? Obtaining cars they could test. So, the MythBusters team got in touch with rail consulting firm AllTranstek LLC, which provided general guidance, two DOT-111 tank cars, and a site in Boardman, Ore., to carry out the experiment..."

 

 


 

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Posted by NodakRanger on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 9:09 PM

Yes

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Vacuum is not usually given in negative numbers. Vacuum can only be from 0 to whatever the local atmospheric pressure is. No negatives needed.

 

Depends on whether you are using psia or psig.  Many combination pressure/vacuum gauges have the in/mm of Hg (or of water) or the kilopascals or whatever below atmospheric marked in red and reading 'counterclockwise' from zero gauge.

 

But they are still not negative numbers. I have seen lots of pressure/vacuum gauges. Every single one was in some way way marked "Pressure-PSI" and "Vacuum-In/Hg". (No reason they couldn't also be marked in kPa, or whatever unit you wanted to use).

Vacuum is not negative, it is simply a lower pressure when compared to another pressure.

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Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 9:45 PM

Back when I was engaged in the manufacture of semiconductor devices, there were two processes that made use of low pressure--around 10 millitorr--in quartz tubes. One Torr is 1/760 of one atmosphere; so this was a rarified atmosphere-and it was still expressed as a positive number. Some of the processes have, as I recall, the pressure measured in microns of mercury.

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 10:09 PM

All temperatures are above Absolute Zero - although we refer to water freezing as Zero on the Centigrade scale and Farenheit Zero is 32 degrees below water freezing and both scales have negative numbers.  Numbers mean whatever people want them to mean - both positive and negative.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 10:19 PM

Note the negative pressure markings

I see a marking for negative 1 bar.

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Posted by NodakRanger on Thursday, March 31, 2016 7:05 PM

I suppose that is more or less ok, as it is a "negative pressure" if you will. Pressure and vacuum are the units. Would still drive me crazy.

To refer to vacuum in negative inches, well, might as well hang the cross upside down.

 

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Posted by rdamon on Thursday, March 31, 2016 8:32 PM

Semper Vaporo

 

I see a marking for negative 1 bar.

 

 

Is that one of those places where they serve Vodka on a ice table while you wear a parka?

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