Which Century? 19th, 20th or 21st. Awhile is not very precise!
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Kinda tough to figure what the original line of thinking is, CSX has not been on that side of town for some time (2004?) when they sold out to IORY / RA.
The only incident I'm aware of is a tank car venting incident at McCollough Yard (ex PRR/PC/CR that was not a derailment circa 2005)
IORY is operating the former PRR Little Miami RR (CL&N) and the B&O Midland districts on the east side of the Mill Creek valley along with the ex-N&W Peavine now the Cincinnati Terminal RR
"Awhile is not very precise!" +1
Edit: Believe OP wanted to know about this 2013 incident: http://www.wlwt.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/answers-in-norwood-train-derailment-may-take-months/20522458 (newsworker's report leaves a lot to be desired)....Location is the approach to PRR McCollough Yard just after the split off of the Old B&O Midland Line at CR MP 50.6 Blue Ash Secondary (Ivanhoe/CP East Norwood) alongside the Zumbiel packaging plant
After GM closed the Norwood Assembly Plant (1923-87), the Class 1's couldn't get out of there fast enough.(used to build Camaro's and Firebirds in that plant)...McCollugh Yard was the yard next to the GM Plant...
PDN: a few hundred feet from here was a crossing frog with a 157/90 step weld in the approach. Damnedest thing I ever saw, no intermediate transition rail!
Do you have a link to the WLWT report or some other evidence of the evidence?
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I just did a quick search on the WLWT site for "Norwood Derailment" and got zilch.
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Maybe this story from June 2013? Or this WLWT story? I&O lines. And I found the idiot that grabbed the reporter's mike and belched profanity. I'll not share the link of that clip, thank you very much.
mudchicken[snipped - PDN] . . . PDN: a few hundred feet from here was a crossing frog with a 157/90 step weld in the approach. Damnedest thing I ever saw, no intermediate transition rail!
- Paul North.
May have been 155 (PRR) and it wasn't crane rail. Stupid big rail (have a slide of it somewhere)....B&O crossing PRR (PRR was really rickety, probably why it's gone todaY) ....not only were the base of rail thermite connections not there, the base gap was plainly visible in end section, but the top of rail profile accross the joint was noticably bent. Again, one of the stranger things I have ever seen.
The crossing frog clearly was second hand and came from somewhere else on CR.
(CH 19 slides showed what the problem was....just wonder after the switch was picked/climbed-over why the engineer kept shoving for so long?)
Paul_D_North_Jr mudchicken [snipped - PDN] . . . PDN: a few hundred feet from here was a crossing frog with a 157/90 step weld in the approach. Damnedest thing I ever saw, no intermediate transition rail! Hey, I caught that ! (Is the 157 a typo ? If not, then I've learned something new today . . . ). Not in or connected to a mainline track, I hope. I too have seen that kind of thing - never that extreme, though - but usually on a low-budget shortline or in an industrial plant. You think it's still there ? Might be worth a photo some time. - Paul North.
mudchicken [snipped - PDN] . . . PDN: a few hundred feet from here was a crossing frog with a 157/90 step weld in the approach. Damnedest thing I ever saw, no intermediate transition rail!
Hey, I caught that ! (Is the 157 a typo ? If not, then I've learned something new today . . . ). Not in or connected to a mainline track, I hope. I too have seen that kind of thing - never that extreme, though - but usually on a low-budget shortline or in an industrial plant. You think it's still there ? Might be worth a photo some time.
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157*(or 155) Pounds per yard welded to 90 )Pounds per yard rail
The 90# rail is 5 5/8" tall with a 5 1/8" base... The bigger rail, peculiar to the eastern railroads (PRR, LV and others) was more like 8 inches tall with a 6 3/4" base. Try to weld those rascals together and it gets weird. (won't match)
136 or 141 is about as big as you see in main tracks today. The 152/155 PS/157 Lackawanna stuff comes from the first half of the 1900's and only a few tried it. Girder rail (157/172) was laid in streets, but not very often and not anymore because of FRA flangeway depth and width issues (along with it's not rolled here anymore)
The 152/155 PS stuff never came west as far as I know. Railroads were trying to standardize and the big stuf was oddball. As it was, right after Korea, the Santa Fe got a bunch of surplus 101 Buffalo rail which turned out to be a nightmare. (no plates or anglebars in regular inventory fit it; It was like 90#rail with an extra wide base meant to be spiked to ties in a hurry without tie plate. Used to be a giant headache to maintain or replace and always seemed to be in little used backtracks.
PS= Pennsylvannia Standard
* PDN most likely may be right, 155 may be as big as it gets. (early onset oldtimers disease?)
Thanks for the explanation. Somewhere out there must be a talented welder. Do they have a sign at that weld that says "In case of derailment, start investigation here"?
155# rail was impressive. Almost needed a stepladder to get over it.
Before the Amtrak Harrisburg line was upgraded, it was 155# jointed rail. That was an awesome ride at speed.
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Murphy Siding Thanks for the explanation. Somewhere out there must be a talented welder. Do they have a sign at that weld that says "In case of derailment, start investigation here"?
zugmann 155# rail was impressive. Almost needed a stepladder to get over it. Before the Amtrak Harrisburg line was upgraded, it was 155# jointed rail. That was an awesome ride at speed. clakclakclakclakclakclakclakclakclakclakclakclakclak
Do jointed rail at speed in a caboose!
zugmann 155# rail was impressive. Almost needed a stepladder to get over it. . . . [snipped - PDN]
Track with 152 or 155 PS rail also looked like narrow gauge, from a height of rail vs. gauge distance perspective:
NG gauge ratio = 3.0 ft. / 4.71 = 0.64
8" high 152 or 155 PS rail x 0.64 = 5.1"
Oh yeah - that would be about the same as some 85 lb. rails, and that's way heavier than most NG's ever were.
Said another way, 152/ 155 PS in standard gauge track would look taller compared to the gauge than 85 lb. in narrow gauge - so the 152 / 155 would even narrower !
http://www.txholdings.com/rail_chart.php
As MC indicates, there are some standards for the maximum rail height change at a compromise joint or a welded joint. That is to reduce the effect of the unequal strengths and deflections in the different rail sizes, and which could lead to stress concentrations. For example, a typical limitation would be not more than 1" of rail height change at such a joint. So the one that MC mentions would need about 3 such joints: 8" to 7+", 7+" to 6+", and 6+" to 5-1/8"; maybe a 4th if a rail section is not available to precisely accomodate/create those 'steps' in height.
As zug indicates, there's still some 152 / 155 PS around if you know where to look. Since most of it is on former branch lines (coal or "mineral" traffic) or yards, is so strong and stiff, and not seeing much traffic any more, it'll still be there after we're all long gone (unless it corrodes away first from the acids from all the coal dust/ dirt . . . ).
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