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Dwell Time Norfolk and Southern
Posted by SAMUEL C WALKER on Wednesday, January 6, 2016 12:47 PM

I wonder why the dwell times for the Norfolk Southern are higher than other railroad companies? Which yard is worse? Conway? Which yard is best?

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Posted by 466lex on Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:34 PM

http://www.railroadpm.org/

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Thursday, January 7, 2016 4:40 AM

466lex

According the graph of "Terminal Dwell" for all railroads reporting there, at:

http://www.railroadpm.org/Graphs/Terminal%20Dwell%20Graph.aspx 

NS is about in the middle of the pack; UP seems to consistently show the highest numbers.

Make sure you read the "General Definitions" of it at:

http://www.railroadpm.org/Definitions.aspx  

On dwell time - the data is complex - see:  

http://www.railroadpm.org/Performance%20Reports/NS.aspx 

Generally, Conway isn't the highest/ longest, but it's usually in the top 3 to 5 of the 14 yards tracked there. 

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Posted by SAMUEL C WALKER on Thursday, January 7, 2016 12:22 PM
Very useful. Many thanks.
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Posted by SAMUEL C WALKER on Thursday, January 7, 2016 12:25 PM
Conway, then, is simply among the worst. I find it amazing that trains often are observed sitting on the main awaiting entrance to the yard. Is it lack of capacity? Is it defective process and procedures?
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Posted by traisessive1 on Thursday, January 7, 2016 1:22 PM

With management bonus hanging on the dwell times I wouldn't doubt some of these guys would sell their own family into slavery to get a car out of the yard 30 seconds earlier. 

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Thursday, January 7, 2016 7:01 PM

Better yet, have their own family grab a locomotive and take a few cars on down the line to get them out of the yard count . . .

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Posted by oltmannd on Thursday, January 7, 2016 8:24 PM

traisessive1

With management bonus hanging on the dwell times I wouldn't doubt some of these guys would sell their own family into slavery to get a car out of the yard 30 seconds earlier. 

 

It's train to train connections that NS measures as part of the bonus.  It's a measure of the value added from the car classification process.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, January 7, 2016 9:36 PM

      Wouldn't the dwell times be a tool to comapre each railroad to own historical and future levels, and much less useful in comparing between railroads?

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:13 PM

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Better yet, have their own family grab a locomotive and take a few cars on down the line to get them out of the yard count . . .

- Paul North. 

Seems like I've seen several accounts here on the forum involving cars sent elsewhere so they weren't in the yard.  Of course, they came back, but that was a different problem.

Recall hearing of a senior NCO who emptied his in-box into an inter-office envelope each Friday, addressed to himself.  It would return through the distribution system each Monday, but his desk was clear for the weekend...

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Posted by jeffhergert on Friday, January 8, 2016 12:14 AM

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Paul_D_North_Jr

Better yet, have their own family grab a locomotive and take a few cars on down the line to get them out of the yard count . . .

- Paul North. 

 

Seems like I've seen several accounts here on the forum involving cars sent elsewhere so they weren't in the yard.  Of course, they came back, but that was a different problem.

Recall hearing of a senior NCO who emptied his in-box into an inter-office envelope each Friday, addressed to himself.  It would return through the distribution system each Monday, but his desk was clear for the weekend...

 

A couple of conductors who worked yard jobs (when they could hold them) talked about a block of empty tank cars that bounced back and forth between Boone and Council Bluffs for a month.

Part of the bonus for terminal managers is tied to getting an originating train or one that does scheduled work out of the terminal by it's scheduled departure time.  One night I was on such a train.  The inbound crew had made a rear end set out.  We had finished the pick up, but the yard utility man hadn't replaced the EOT and I was looking at a red signal at the main track switch anyway.  The departure window was getting close. (Generally it's about 2 hours from call time to departure.)  The yard manager on duty called me on the radio from his office and asked if we were pulling.  I said no, that I didn't have a signal.  He said his screen (a less detailed version of the dispatcher's screen) showed we were lined up and to start pulling.  I said that the signal I was looking at was red and that his yard man didn't have the EOT on yet.  That took the wind out of his sails and he said to leave as soon as we could.

I heard once some managers got in trouble for doing kind of what Paul suggested.  Once the train was made up and crew called, they would have a yard crew drag the train past the AEI reader.  It would show the train has "departed" and the yard as having met it's call time to departure goal for that train.

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Posted by dakotafred on Friday, January 8, 2016 6:50 AM

Jeff, I always enjoy your truth-telling posts, as above. And because it's clear who you work for, I wonder how you get away with it (assuming, perhaps erroneously, that you are using your real name).

I'm curious because, back when I was a reporter, I had a real good source for inside stuff in a local engineer who let me quote him by name -- for a while. Finally he had to beg off because of guff from company headquarters. And he was not only head of his local but the union's state legislative director.

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, January 8, 2016 7:16 PM

jeffhergert

I heard once some managers got in trouble for doing kind of what Paul suggested.  Once the train was made up and crew called, they would have a yard crew drag the train past the AEI reader.  It would show the train has "departed" and the yard as having met it's call time to departure goal for that train.

Jeff    

The act of building a train and then pulling to somewhere outside terminal limits is not necessarily an effort to 'fudge the departure clock'.  Terminals all have a finite capacity.  When they go full, they can't yard anything until they depart something.

A terminal on my territory will frequently move one or more trains outside the yard as a means of survival.  Crews for the trains are non-existant when they were built, so yard crews pull them out of the yard, where the line of road crews, when they become available will go to get the train and move it to its next terminal.   Opening up room lets the terminal continue to operate.

The down side of this happening is that the line of road velocity for that line segment takes a hit.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Saturday, January 9, 2016 12:03 AM

Murphy Siding
Wouldn't the dwell times be a tool to comapre each railroad to own historical and future levels, and much less useful in comparing between railroads?

Pretty much what the 'home' / intro page of the Railroad Performance Measures ("RPM") website says, at  http://www.railroadpm.org  :

"All six railroads use the same definitions to calculate their performance data, ensuring a high degree of consistency of the measurements.  However, these measures are most useful for examining trends and relative changes, and least useful as absolutes.

The level of one railroad’s performance relative to another’s may differ sharply because each railroad is unique.  Differences between railroads include terrain, physical routes and network design, traffic mix and volume, the extent of passenger operations, and operational practices.  External factors such as weather and port operations can also cause variations between railroads and over time.  In addition,individual differences in the collection and reporting of operational data may affect the absolute level of the measures on each road to some degree."

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