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Mine came Thurs. 01 Oct. via the USPS, a/k/a Pony Express (but not via the Railway Mail Service !!!).
Generally very good. A couple quibbles* (of course !), but more about most of those later.
*John Kneiling on pg. 56 - none of his ideas ever "took the industry by storm" !
What's scary is that I've been reading it for just over 50 years now . . . Some kind soul donated his collection to our elementary (!) school library, and I and 2 others were hooked.
Have we ever done a "Favorite Issue" thread here ? If not, maybe we should.
I love the "Number 195 in a series" - the content, format, and the tongue-in-cheek presentation, buried back on page 104 in the 3rd column without any fanfare about it.
Mr. Wrinn, I still think DPM was one-of-a kind and that we'll not see his kind come this way again - but you outdid yourself with this issue and especially the "From the Editor" introduction in the front. Well done, and thank you.
MC - wish I could be there with you. Maybe next year - new employer is a lot more receptive to those kind of things for my PDH's.
- Paul North.
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Kneling did predict the unit-train economic benefit to freight railroads. Amittadly it "took the industry by storm" only after a lapse of about 25-30 after his advocacy. I really loved the guy for the all the wondeful fantrips he arranged while I was still in highschool, and they were affordable also.
I just have to wait for my copy, but I look forward to it.
(1) Personally handed to me Monday afternoon.
(2) and yes, he read the forum replies (photo posted to prove #1 as a light dig.)
switch7frg Diningcar, I wonder where Icould find an issue of April 1948 Trains Mag. I think it has an article about Valve gears of different kind. I had that issue but it must have Vaporised. Does the Index go that far back? Respectfully, Cannonball
Respectfully, Cannonball
Link to 'thumbnail' of the cover and a Table of Contents for the Nov. 1947 issue:
http://trc.trains.com/Train%20Magazine%20Index.aspx?view=ViewIssue&issueId=5682
Same for the April 1948 issue:
http://trc.trains.com/Train%20Magazine%20Index.aspx?view=ViewIssue&issueId=5687
My copy showed up today, nicely done. With any luck, I might last long enough to read the 100th anniversary issue.
Just got mine today (I was away).
No. 9 of the "75 places you must see" was Bozeman Pass. Part of the description says, "Lewis and Clark came through here." Only 50 percent correct. Clark, yes, Lewis no. On the westward trip they stayed together and did not traverse Bozeman Pass; on the eastward trip, they split up (and rendezvoused at the confluence of the Missouri and Yellowstone rivers) with Lewis going north along the Marias River and Cut Bank Creek (Camp Disappointment) before continuing east along the Missouri. Clark did go over Bozeman Pass and then along the Yellowstone.
Mark Meyer
erikem My copy showed up today, nicely done. With any luck, I might last long enough to read the 100th anniversary issue.
OK, how come Cardiff gets one day better service than San Diego? Mags must have been on a loose-car journey to the coast.
I was a little surprised to see Tom Hoback's name included in the list of 75 names we must know, while people who have had a far more significant involvement in the big picture were left off.
Nothing against Hoback, I'm sure he is a fine person, but this left me wondering if Fred Frailey's apparent man-crush on Hoback had everything to do with this?
Convicted OneNothing against Hoback, I'm sure he is a fine person, but this left me wondering if Fred Frailey's apparent man-crush on Hoback had everything to do with this?
I was wondering the same.
Norm
ChuckCobleigh OK, how come Cardiff gets one day better service than San Diego? Mags must have been on a loose-car journey to the coast.
I'm wondering if the magazines are sent out in order of ZIP code - Cardiff is 92007, while San Diego is 921xx. Would explain why we got ours after the rest of the country got theirs.
Did have a bit of fun using the 1940 Chicago to Milwaukee map to look up a couple of incidents reported in Middleton's "The Interurban Era".
- Erik
Got my Model Railroader. Trains is still a no-show here, too.
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
I would opine that the lists in the 75th anniversary issue of TRAINS were intended as a starting point for conversations and discussions rather than serve as something definitive. They are similar to the various "100 Best" lists put out by the American Film Institute from time to time. The AFI has said that these lists are intended to stimulate discussion about movies. The TRAINS lists may well be serving a similar purpose.
CSSHEGEWISCHI would opine that the lists in the 75th anniversary issue of TRAINS were intended as a starting point for conversations and discussions rather than serve as something definitive.
Okay then, do you agree that Ricky Gates has made a more significant contribution to railroading than..... James J Hill?......Than Colis P Huntington?.....Than Herman H Pevler? ...Jay Gould and the Commodore?
Convicted One CSSHEGEWISCH Okay then, do you agree that Ricky Gates has made a more significant contribution to railroading than..... James J Hill?......Than Colis P Huntington?.....Than Herman H Pevler? ...Jay Gould and the Commodore?
CSSHEGEWISCH
They fostered the robber baron business of railroading. Gates fostered drug testing for the rank and file of railroad employees.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
It was a great issue, Jim and thanks to you and the others for putting it together. I enjoyed the 75 people and 75 places. My Dad did know Lou Menk when he was President of Frisco, Mom said he came back when BN took over but not in the way anyone expected. Dad was dead by then and didn't have to see the beloved Frisco name removed from the yard office where he worked.
I wish I could be at the 75th party, but had too many other things going, but I am sure you will have coverage in a future magazine and look forward to that.
Pevler was no robber barron.
CSSHEGEWISCH I would opine that the lists in the 75th anniversary issue of TRAINS were intended as a starting point for conversations and discussions rather than serve as something definitive. They are similar to the various "100 Best" lists put out by the American Film Institute from time to time. The AFI has said that these lists are intended to stimulate discussion about movies. The TRAINS lists may well be serving a similar purpose.
In my opinion the list is too heavy on CEOs, remarkably absent of rail transit types like George Krambles, and has at least one ho hum type that I'm hard pressed to point to anyway the industry is different due to his involvement and I can think of many folks that had impact not on the list.
James J. Hill, Jay Gould, Vanderbuilt, etc. were not around 75 years ago, and the Trains article specifically says that this list of theirs only covers people who lived in the past 75 years who "shaped railroading".My personal amusement was to see Patrick B. McGinnis make the list. He did save the old Norfolk Southern, which gave him the idea to try to do the same for the New Haven and the Boston & Maine. He proposed radical new services and deferred maintainance to increase the bottom line. It didn't work, and he ended up in jail eventually after getting kickbacks on the B&M. But he did leave both railroads with an iconic new image, one of which is still being used in revenue service (by ConnDOT) some 46 years after the NH disappeared.
Paul A. Cutler III
Great issue. The article on the German hydrogen fuel cell powered trains really took me by surprise.
Whoa, Nelly!!! On your 1940-2015 Timeline, you missed (a big) one in 1957 (pg. 45). On the morning of Tuesday, August 27, 1957, locomotive no. 3780, of the 3776-class 4-8-4, Baldwin L.W. class of 1941, made the last steam locomotive revenue movement, in helper service, between Belen and Mountainaire, New Mexico on the Atchison, Topeka, and SANTA FE Railway.
OUCH! That hurt all two (2) of us Santa Fe fans. Santa Fe saved two of the 1927 3751-class (3751, 3759), one of the 3765-class (3765), and six of the wartime 2900-class 4-8-4 Northern type engines, but not one of the 1941, but not one of the 3776-class locomotives. Except for the 2900s, These engines made the longest ( Kansas City - Los Angeles, 1765 miles), and second longest, (LaJunta - Los Angeles, 1234 miles) steam locomotive runs in the nation. The 1938-41 rebuilt (Albq.) 3751s were assigned to Nos. 23-24, "The Grand Canyon Limited", the 3765s and 3776s handled Nos. 7-8 and Nos. 19-20, The "Fast Mail-Express", and "The Chief", repectively.
Santa Fe jumped the gun in 1954 when they went on Kansas City TV with five engines side-by-side announcing that the AT&SF was dieselized. True, no steam ran in 1955, but a number of 5021-class 2-10-4s and some 2900 and 3776-class engines were in summer helper service in Abo Canyon in 1956 and 1957. Six weeks later the world heard the 'beep-beep-beep' of 'Sputnik' and the S,pace Age.
I guess that the listing of 75 names we must know should be regarded in much the same context as the Baseball Hall of Fame. Membership is not necessarily awarded on the basis of excellence in performance alone. Popularity (and political correctness) are certainly a factor.
This issue wasn't quite the classic that I had hoped it would be, but I can't stop thinking about that Lackawanna HH660 and how nice she'd look on the turntable lead next to Lackawanna #426 at Steamtown.
Anyone aware of any activity to preserve her?
Diningcar, I wonder where Icould find an issue of April 1948 Trains Mag. I think it has an article about Valve gears of different kind. I had that issue but it must have Vaporised. Does the Index go that far back?
Have you tried Railpub.
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