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Semi-trailer plowed into an Amtrak train in rural Nevada: 2 killed
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<p>[quote user="zugmann"] <span style="font-size: small;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">(in blue)</span></span></p> <p> <blockquote> <div><img src="/TRCCS/Themes/trc/images/icon-quote.gif" /> <strong>Bucyrus:</strong></div> <div></div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size:small;">zugmann,</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size:small;"></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size:small;">You keep saying my suggestion is invalid because it is not 100% foolproof.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes;"> </span>I never said I expected my suggestion to make everything 100% foolproof.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes;"> </span>Read my above post again.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes;"> </span>And just because there is always someone who will break a law does not mean that the law serves no useful purpose.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes;"> </span></span></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size:small;"> </span></span></span></p> <p><span style="font-size:12pt;mso-fareast-font-family:'Times New Roman';mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA;"><span style="font-family:verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size:small;">As to my two suggestions that use yellow lights, I am suggesting one or the other, but not both.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes;"> </span>Each one would use yellow lights.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes;"> </span>The first suggestion uses them passively to get the driver’s attention focused on the speed reduction indicated by signage.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes;"> </span>The second suggestion uses them actively to be normally off and turn on with the crossing flashers.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes;"> </span>There is no speed limit reduction with the second suggestion.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes;"> </span>The second suggestion merely extends the range of the crossing flashers. The first suggestion slows down traffic. <span style="mso-spacerun:yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun:yes;"> </span></span></span></span></p> <div style="clear: both;"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"></span></span></span></div> <p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"></span></span></span></p> </blockquote> </p> <p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> I could counter that the current protection is adequate. It's not foolproof either, but neither is your suggestion. So, how do we measure "foolproofiness" and how do we determine how much to spend to try to reduce it? Keeping human emotions and politics out of it, of course.</span></span></span></p> <p><span style="color: #0000ff;"></span>[/quote]</p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;">A big federal bureaucracy known as the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Manual On Uniform Traffic Control Devices</span> measures the degrees of protection.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They come up will all kinds of improvements that are not foolproof.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The suggestion I made about the active advance warning is one of their ideas, and it is an option that can be applied.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It is specifically targeted for use on relatively fast highways for exactly the same reason I am advocating it for the Nevada crossing.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The people at the MUTCD are not blinded by the hatred of all drivers when it comes to grade crossings, so they are able to see ways to improve things.</span></span></p> <p><span style="color: blue;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p> <p><span style="color: blue;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Ok, we install your flashers. Then someone hits a train yet. So do we install a 2nd pair of advanced flashers? Third? Fourth? When does it cross the line from advanced warning to silliness?</span></span></span></p> <p><span style="color: blue;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Too many people relying on everyone else doing their thinking for them. <o:p></o:p></span></span></span></span></span></span></p> <p><span style="color: blue;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">It's just that this crossing had gates. Physical barriers across the road. Flashing red lights. Train horns. Clear sight lines. I mean, c'mon, what else do we need? The president of the railroad standing in the middle of the road (in his lime green <b>SUPERVEST</b>) handing out written invitations to stop?<o:p></o:p></span></span></span></span></span></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="color: blue;">You say we need lower speed limits and advanced amber flashers. Someone else might want even lower speed limits. Maybe we should just put a stop sign right then and there on the highway?</span> </span></span></span></span></span></p> <p><span style="color: blue;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Again: There has to be a limit to this nonsense. Sometimes a line must be drawn. We do not have unlimited funds in this country to protect the completely oblivious.<o:p></o:p></span></span></span></span></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-size: small;">And yes, your hypothetical scenario of adding a second, third, and fourth set of flashers does get silly.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You keep bringing up nonsense scenarios and equating them with what I am suggesting, and then you say we have to put an end to this nonsense.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But your examples of nonsense have nothing whatsoever to do with my point.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></span></p> <p> </p>
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