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Quick! What's this Car?
Posted by Flashwave on Thursday, September 1, 2011 11:36 PM

This has been in Madison, IN for a while now. It's a private car they did journal work on. Itr;s on three axle trucks, and a spine body like the old Heavyweights. It also has a higher roofline, where it looks like they just built a round roof over the top of the Heavy.

Rpt Marks are RPCX 1567, and they've gotten me nowhere. I'd love to know what this car was before.

 

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Posted by StillGrande on Friday, September 2, 2011 8:15 AM

It would help more if you could read the name in the middle of the car.  Most of the private railcar listings are by name, not car number. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, September 2, 2011 11:41 AM

UMLER only lists the car with it's present number with no link to it's original number.

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Posted by henry6 on Friday, September 2, 2011 11:52 AM

The scant glance of the car give me the impression of Ontario Northland with European equipment.  But that is only a wild guess impression..

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, September 2, 2011 2:21 PM

The porthole windows in the door might be a clue to a pax car expert.

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Posted by AgentKid on Friday, September 2, 2011 5:50 PM

Flashwave

Rpt Marks are RPCX 1567, and they've gotten me nowhere. I'd love to know what this car was before.

According to the website www.railserve.com the RPCX reporting mark is assigned to "Railroad Passenger Car Numbering Bureau". That doesn't tell us much.

I did find a photo of a similarly painted car at RailcarPhotos.com It appears these cars were used on a Dinner Train that went bankrupt. Here is the link to the photo.

http://www.railcarphotos.com/Search.php?SearchReportingMark=RPCX&Search=Search

Hope this helps.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Friday, September 2, 2011 8:29 PM

Agent Kid,:(Bruce) wrote, in part the folowing:

I did find a photo of a similarly painted car at RailcarPhotos.com It appears these cars were used on a Dinner Train that went bankrupt. Here is the link to the photo.

Following his linked info, about the car being from a defunct, Dinner Train that was run out of the Old St Louis Railroad terminal; The info furthere stated that some of those cars were purchased in 2006, by the KCS RR (possibly, the KSCdeM RR?).

 On Checking, found a photo of a couple of those Dinner Train cars re-lettered for the KCSdeM Business Car Train ( still in the green paint, but some changes to that scheme) http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=600448

info on the pictured car from the link:    FTL:      "...The former Rail Cruise America COLORADO RIVER, originally FEC 10-6 sleeper ARGENTINA, then Canadian National 2131 GRAND CODROY RIVER, then VIA 2131 same name, then PV GLACIER PARK. Now has 7 DBRs and 4 RMTTEs..."

The major difference is that the car pictured in the Forum Thread has six wheel trucks (roller bearing) while the car shown has only a 4 wheel passenger car truck. Possibly they were changed out while running in Mexico by KCSdeM RR crews?

Hopefully, someone else can provide better info on this car?

 

 


 

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, September 2, 2011 10:20 PM

RailCruise America Dinner Train

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Posted by Flashwave on Saturday, September 3, 2011 1:26 AM

StillGrande

It would help more if you could read the name in the middle of the car.  Most of the private railcar listings are by name, not car number. 

Ah, sorry, the car is named Goderich though that hasn't gotten me anywhere either. If it helps, it claims to be a Chapel Car on the ends, where one normally reads "Pullman".

Here's a few more shots of the car:

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, September 3, 2011 3:40 AM

In the late 30's the B&O rebuilt a large number of heavyweight cars to streamlined appearance for use on the Royal Blue, Capitol Limited and National Limited.  In the 40's they converted a few more heavyweight cars to streamlined appearance for the Cincinnatian.  With that being said, I don't recognize the trucks on the car you have pictured as being anything I can ever recall seeing under B&O cars, however, that memory of the trucks can be flawed as those cars were last seen over 50 years ago.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Sunday, September 4, 2011 9:44 AM

From post by Flashwave:

"...Ah, sorry, the car is named Goderich though that hasn't gotten me anywhere either. If it helps, it claims to be a Chapel Car on the ends, where one normally reads "Pullman".

Here's a few more shots of the car:

(That IS a public link, you don't bneed to be a Facebooker to see them.)

That little bit of info is pretty interesting;  Chapel Cars were a phenomenon of the 19th and early 20th centrury on American railroads. They were sponsored by major religions to bring religious services to those folks who lived away from major population centers..

http://cs.trains.com/TRCCS/forums/p/170191/1868218.aspx#1868218

This link is to a Thread on this Forum from March of 2010 referencing:

  Chapel Cars on American Railroads.

Could the car pictured by the original poster be a throwback to theis forgotten era?

 

 


 

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Posted by BMRY1905 on Saturday, December 7, 2019 3:49 PM

Friends.

I "found" The Godrich today in Lapel Indiana on the Central Indiana & Western RR.

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Posted by rrnut282 on Friday, December 13, 2019 3:56 PM

Is it one of the "escapees" from ITM?

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, December 14, 2019 1:01 PM

From the Railroad Preservation Index: apparently this is a CC&F car, built in 1923 (for CN) as a 12-1 and later rebuilt by or for them to an 8-1-2.  The RPI CN list indicates a sister rebuilt car apparently became CP office car 2.

The car was in Lapel in early May 2019, supposedly going to Nickel Plate Express which I believe is the outfit that took over the tourist running between Atlanta (IL) and Noblesville.  They use a train of ex-ATSF high-level cars so I'm not sure where the Goderich would fit into their operation.  It was said to have been "10 days into a move" by the time it got to Lapel, so, although I haven't found where it was 'coming from', ITM would be about the last possible source.

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Posted by rrnut282 on Wednesday, January 8, 2020 10:47 AM

You had a typo.  The Nickel Plate Express runs from Atlanta (IN).  I don't know of one in Illinois, but it would definitely be a much longer ride.  

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Thursday, January 9, 2020 10:15 AM

rrnut282

You had a typo.  The Nickel Plate Express runs from Atlanta (IN).  I don't know of one in Illinois, but it would definitely be a much longer ride.  

 

There actually is a small town along I 55 and the UP in Central Illinois northwest of Lincoln called Atlanta but it hosts no tourist trains. 

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