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<P mce_keep="true">[quote user="jeaton"] <P>[quote user="Bucyrus"] <P>[quote user="jeaton"] <P>[quote user="Bucyrus"] <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT face=verdana,geneva><FONT size=2>If canoe renters trespassing on the bridge were so common that the canoe rental outfit should have known about it, does it not follow that the NS should have also known about it?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT face=verdana,geneva><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT face=verdana,geneva><FONT size=2><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN>And if the canoe rental outfit should be held liable for not warning canoe renters about the danger of trespassing on the bridge, should not NS also be held liable for not preventing people from trespassing on the bridge?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P>[/quote]</P> <P>I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised to find that NS has posted "Danger, No Trespassing" signs on or about the bridge. What would you do? Have a security guard patrol the bridge? Hang concertina wire? Put up gates?</P> <P>[/quote]</P> <P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT face=verdana,geneva><FONT size=2>Well, if it were up to me, I would not hold the canoe rental company or the NS liable for the death.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But if you construct a case where the canoe rental company should have taken action because they knew about the hazard, then the same reasoning should apply to the NS as well.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN><FONT face=verdana,geneva><FONT size=2>If trespassing on the bridge was so common, it seems reasonable to conclude that NS should have known about it.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And if they knew about it, they should have known that a sign was not preventing people from trespassing. <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">So they had to know that there was a particularly high probability of somebody getting killed on that bridge.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P>[/quote]</P> <P>It seems to me that it is fairly well established that signs warning of danger and posting no trespassing either relieve or significantly mitigate liability for injury to an individual who ignores the signs. If that is situation in this case, and other facts presented in evidence show that all appropriate warnings were made, and in the absence of other considerations, then the plaintiff's suit may not be successful. If it goes to trial, 6 ordinary citizens on a jury may come to the same conclusion that you have.</P> <P>Is that a problem?</P> <P>[/quote]</P><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><FONT face=verdana,geneva>I am not sure I understand your question.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><FONT face=verdana,geneva> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><FONT face=verdana,geneva>You said: <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=verdana,geneva><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=+0><FONT face=verdana,geneva><FONT size=3><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">“</SPAN>If it goes to trial, 6 ordinary citizens on a jury may come to the same conclusion that you have.</FONT></FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face=verdana,geneva size=3>Is that a problem?”</FONT></P><FONT face=verdana,geneva> <o:p></o:p></FONT> <P><FONT face=verdana,geneva>My conclusion was that if the canoe rental company could be found liable, then by the same reasoning, NS could likewise be found liable.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If a jury came to that conclusion, I would be inclined to conclude that the jury should not have found either party liable.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In that sense, from my perspective, it would be a problem.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> But, at least it would be consistent according to my analogy of the two defendants owing protection to the victim. </SPAN></FONT></P> <P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT face=verdana,geneva><FONT size=2>However, as Gabe has explained, the burden of protection is stricter with the canoe rental company than it is with the NS.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Given that stipulation, I do not know what to expect the jury to do.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Nor do I have any opinion as to what they should do.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If the burden of protection is different for the two defendants, the protection they provided cannot be directly compared.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And I have no idea of how to measure the burden of protection for each party.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
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