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Where trains go to die?
Posted by Boyd on Monday, September 20, 2010 11:53 PM

I know scrap yards sometimes take RR cars to cut them up for recycling as they often have tracks serving them. Are there any large places that just scrap RR cars and engines or places that specialize in this? Do they sometimes save and sell the trucks? Do engines or other parts get sold? Around where I live I know of 1 steel boxcar sitting near grain bins for storage and another place out in the country with a wooden boxcar sitting about 200-300 feet back from the road.

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Posted by silicon212 on Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:06 AM

There is an automotive junkyard in Phoenix called Ecology Auto Wrecking - it's on 27th avenue just north of the ex-SP Phoenix line, though not directly served by it.  They do metal recycling of all sorts there, as well as automotive recycling.  On occasion, I've seen freight car trucks by the dozens in there.  I've also seen passenger car trucks, as well as other various cut up pieces of freight cars.  I've also seen EMD 16-645E3 engines in there, complete with turbos, just sitting on their sides on the ground in various states of damage (it was a sad sight).

 

There is usually many sections of railroad rail in there at any given time.

 

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Posted by FranklinC55 on Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:24 AM

There are places like that al over the country. Just soth of Chcago in the rough suburb of dior is NRE's main facility. Here is a phoo of thir backot. They have plenty of old EMD power there, including an F40C, an F7, SP High hood Geep, SD45-2, and dozens of old end cab switchers and first generation geep rebuilds. They build Gensets here and rebuild and sell or lease locomotives.

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:06 AM

LARRY'S TRUCK AND ELECTRIC, INC.  (located where?) operates like a regular automobile scapyard, except it is for locomotives in addition to trucks.  The scrap locomotives, sell usable parts to railroads that can use them, including museum operatons, and occasionally will recondition, repair, and sell a used and operating locomotive.  Anything not usable is comapted into steel crap cubes and sold to steelmakers.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:20 AM

Dixmoor isn't that rough.  About 2 miles from where I grew up was (is?) a scrap yard operated by Hyman-Michaels at 137th and Avenue O.  They have been scrapping freight cars and locomotives for years.  Chrome Crankshaft formerly occupied a corner of this facility.  The Purdy Company also has a small facility near Powderhorn Lake at Brainard and State Line Rd.

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Posted by travelingengineer on Tuesday, September 21, 2010 8:41 AM

Though it is not a railroad burial ground nor scrap yard, the Pacific Southwest Railway Museum (http://sdrm.org/) in Campo, California has acres of cars, apparently in perpetual storage.  It is probable that this organization has easily acquired rolling stock that was being retired and had a desert location with very low humidity, no rain, etc. that allows such preservation until a use emerges.

This may be sort of like the desert locations where airplane leasing companies store planes until needed.

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Posted by K4sPRR on Tuesday, September 21, 2010 8:43 AM

daveklepper

LARRY'S TRUCK AND ELECTRIC, INC.  (located where?)

They are located in McDonald Ohio.

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Posted by chutton01 on Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:07 AM

On the east coast, they often went to Naporano (now Metal Management, I think), located in the Ironbound section of  Newark NJ. Here's a Bing Bird-Eye view, but no locomotives to be scraped (the white boxcar, I'm not sure if it's to be a victim or not).

Here's a Railroad.Net thread about Naporano, with links to images (alas most of the links don't work anymore, it's an old thread).  However, the last image works, of some PC E units being scrapped in 1980, does work. I personally remember seeing the yard south of Naporano jammed pack w/ old NYCTA subway cars (late 1980s) waiting to be scrapped - sort of a sea of red bodies + white roofs (this was before they began reefing old subway cars enmasse).  Sorry, no images, this was before digital photography and as a college student back then I never really carried a camera...

The only problem with railroad scrapyards is the hoppers and gondola that are used to haul the scrap are often so beat, you can't be sure if they're not there to be scrapped themselves.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:38 AM

I have read that Pielet Brothers in McCook, Illinois - next to EMD's La Grange plant - scrapped a lot of locomotives, especially those that EMD received as trade-ins on new units.  For example, see the article under ''Pielet Brothers Scrap Iron & Metal Company'', about 2/3 of the way down this web page on -

Locomotive Dealers and Scrappers

COMPANIES KNOWN TO BE IN THE LOCOMOTIVE
BUILDING, REBUILDING, RESALE, AND SCRAPPING BUSINESS

Compiled by Don Strack

(Listed alphabetically)

This page was last updated on May 2, 2010.

 http://utahrails.net/loconotes/dealers.php 

Who knew

But, missing from the list is Intercontinental Engineering (or similar) in the Kansas City area, if I'm not mistaken.  They had several of UP's gas-turbines after they were removed from service, per the book Turbines Westward by Thomas R. Lee (1975).  So I'll let Mr. Strack know about that sometime soon.

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Posted by gopherstate on Tuesday, September 21, 2010 1:31 PM

I work for Alter Railcar Services in Mankato MN and we dismantle cars and locomotives.  All usable components are resold to various reconditioners and everything else is cut up for remelt.  We also buy scrap off the street.  Our facility in Des Moines IA only cuts up cars and locomotives.  It amazing some of the nice cars the railroads dispose of.  Our two locomotives that we use to switch our facilities were both bought as scrap, a 1940 ALCo HH100 and a 1954 ALCo S-4.  Parts from railcars are availble for sale to the public.

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Posted by YoHo1975 on Tuesday, September 21, 2010 1:44 PM

And of course sometimes the railroad does the work themselve.

 

Port of Tillamook Bay has been scrapping a number of their SD9s in place at their facility for a bit now.

They will save some portions. They scrapped an Ex-BN SD9 and saved the chopped hood and cab face which will be grafted onto an Ex-SP SD9 that they are keeping. 

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Posted by Doublestack on Saturday, September 25, 2010 9:43 PM

There's a mid-sized scrapper in Green Bay (part of Alter Recycling) that gets about 3-8 cars per day from CN.  Lots of gondola loads of ground up steel come out.    They take in autos and other assorted steel as well.   It appears they save the wheels (axles) and those get put on flat cars to be re-used.  

Here's a photo at Larry's Truck and Elec, as mentioned above (which I believe is a bit SE of Columbus, OH) 

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=334648

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, September 26, 2010 9:17 AM

McDonald, OH is a suburb of Youngstown, OH

Doublestack

There's a mid-sized scrapper in Green Bay (part of Alter Recycling) that gets about 3-8 cars per day from CN.  Lots of gondola loads of ground up steel come out.    They take in autos and other assorted steel as well.   It appears they save the wheels (axles) and those get put on flat cars to be re-used.  

Here's a photo at Larry's Truck and Elec, as mentioned above (which I believe is a bit SE of Columbus, OH) 

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=334648

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Posted by tatans on Wednesday, September 29, 2010 5:45 PM

travelingengineer

Though it is not a railroad burial ground nor scrap yard, the Pacific Southwest Railway Museum (http://sdrm.org/) in Campo, California has acres of cars, apparently in perpetual storage.  It is probable that this organization has easily acquired rolling stock that was being retired and had a desert location with very low humidity, no rain, etc. that allows such preservation until a use emerges.

This may be sort of like the desert locations where airplane leasing companies store planes until needed.

I tried on google maps to find all these acres of cars, can't find them, even went up and down the tracks both ways from town, still nothing.

Can you tell me where they are located?

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, September 29, 2010 9:10 PM

tatans

 travelingengineer:

Though it is not a railroad burial ground nor scrap yard, the Pacific Southwest Railway Museum (http://sdrm.org/) in Campo, California has acres of cars, apparently in perpetual storage.  It is probable that this organization has easily acquired rolling stock that was being retired and had a desert location with very low humidity, no rain, etc. that allows such preservation until a use emerges.

This may be sort of like the desert locations where airplane leasing companies store planes until needed.

 

I tried on google maps to find all these acres of cars, can't find them, even went up and down the tracks both ways from town, still nothing.

Can you tell me where they are located?

Plug these coordinates into a mapping program: N 32.61768 W 116.46942.  Might be it.

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Posted by tatans on Thursday, September 30, 2010 7:03 PM

I finally figured it from a previous post, he referred to tons of cars stored by railroads and I assumed this was somewhere around Campo, I see now he was referring to the cars at the RR museum.

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Posted by Bob-Fryml on Friday, October 15, 2010 5:39 AM

"Where (do) trains go to die?"  Perhaps we have a question of semantics here.

If you look at a train as an engine or more than one engine coupled with or without cars displaying markers and authorized to operate on a main track, I'd say that trains actually "die" at their final terminals. 

The units powering a train, and the freight cars within the train, end their respective economic lives  at any of the scrap dealers mentioned above. 

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Posted by Deggesty on Friday, October 15, 2010 6:04 PM

"Where (do) trains go to die?" And, if it became more than twelve hours late, it was "dead on schedule," and could not move without an order giving it the authority to move.

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Posted by CrowFarmerYT on Monday, March 12, 2018 5:56 PM

 

There are places like that al over the country. Just soth of Chcago in the rough suburb of dior is NRE's main facility. Here is a phoo of thir backot. They have plenty of old EMD power there, including an F40C, an F7, SP High hood Geep, SD45-2, and dozens of old end cab switchers and first generation geep rebuilds. They build Gensets here and rebuild and sell or lease locomotives.

 

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Posted by CrowFarmerYT on Monday, March 12, 2018 5:57 PM
Where is this place, I remember I passed it.
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:06 AM

Once again, Dixmoor isn't that rough.  I-57 passes near the facility at about 143rd Street.  The entrance to the facility is at about 144th and Robey, which is a few blocks west of Wood St.  Some of it can be seen through the trees from Spalding Ave, which is a diagonal street which parallels the GTW main line east of Western Ave.

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Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 4:42 PM

BaltACD

McDonald, OH is a suburb of Youngstown, OH

 
Doublestack

There's a mid-sized scrapper in Green Bay (part of Alter Recycling) that gets about 3-8 cars per day from CN.  Lots of gondola loads of ground up steel come out.    They take in autos and other assorted steel as well.   It appears they save the wheels (axles) and those get put on flat cars to be re-used.  

Here's a photo at Larry's Truck and Elec, as mentioned above (which I believe is a bit SE of Columbus, OH) 

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=334648

 

 

 

Confusing LTE with G. R. Silcott who was in the northern burbs of Cowtown, er-um Columbus? (Worthington, West of I-71)

PDN: Are you thinking of MidWest Locomotive in North Kansas City?

Might add both of RELCO's shops at Albia IA and Minooka IL to that list. The Iowa operation is growing like a weed. (they had a fair-sized fleet of ALCo's for a while)

Add Chrome Crank to that list along with the various outfits that have called the CRIP Silvis IL shops and the C&EI Mt. Vernon IL shops home.

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Posted by JoeBlow on Friday, March 16, 2018 6:19 PM

There is a place near Santa Ana, California that scraps both locomotives and freight car.

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Posted by Ladder1 on Friday, March 16, 2018 9:57 PM

National Railway Equipment in Silvis IL  Scrap and rehab.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Saturday, March 17, 2018 6:51 AM

NRE has a number of facilities.  The home office and first location is in Dixmoor.  They have since acquired the ex-RI shop in Silvis, Precision Engineering in Mt. Vernon IL and the ex-IC shop in Paducah..

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Posted by LensCapOn on Monday, March 19, 2018 11:48 AM

"Where trains go to die?"

 

And no one said CSX.... (Did I miss it?)

 

I swear, what has happened to Snark in todays America??

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Posted by Eastrail11 on Monday, March 19, 2018 12:09 PM

hahaha Big Smile 

I like it, and I get the joke. 

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Posted by Samuel Johnston on Monday, March 26, 2018 2:02 PM

The Snark has been hunted to near extinction.  Years ago Guilford used to be where trains died...

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Posted by Ottawan on Monday, March 26, 2018 2:56 PM

Here is what happens to the 30+ year old Toronto UTDC CLRV streetcar fleet at Leslie Barns as it is replaced by the new Bombardier Flexity fleet.  

Note the old trolley pole.  In the next few years the whole tram system will convert to half pantographs. 

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Posted by tree68 on Monday, March 26, 2018 3:25 PM

LensCapOn
I swear, what has happened to Snark in todays America??

There are some who feel it's still in full bloom here...

And curiously, today's "Zits" comic strip referred to the term.

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