Any future for the CSX Altenheim Sub in Chicago?

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Any future for the CSX Altenheim Sub in Chicago?
Posted by Sawtooth500 on Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:02 AM
Ever since CN bought the EJ&E, I haven't see a single CN train on the CSX Altenheim. I know that the altenheim sub has been dormant east of the BRC main (since 2002 I believe due to 2 condemned bridges), and now the only action I've seen on the Altenheim is a CSX local making a run to an active shipper in forest park (the one on the Eisenhower expressway right before the rails go over the eisenhower). Along the Eisenhower it seems like CSX is now using the altenheim for railcar storage, and after it curves north from the Eisenhower tracks seem rusty.

So has CN officially abandoned any and all plans of their use of the Altenheim? Any I know sometime back I heard of the WSOR eyeing this route as their access to the BRC main instead of their current Metra/CP route... any update on that? Or is the altenheim on it's way to abandonment?
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Posted by jscott on Monday, February 01, 2010 9:24 PM

Not officially abandoned yet, but well on its way. Its utility dropped to zero when CN got the EJ&E. No need for the WC to use this route into the city when they can bypass it on the J. As a former part of the CREATE program the Alt sub would have required a complete rebuild of track and structure and the rebuilding and/or replacement of the bridges. All that's mute with the J in the family. Scott
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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:22 PM

Exactly what are the end points of this sub so we can look it up on a map?

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Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, February 02, 2010 1:05 PM
blue streak 1

Exactly what are the end points of this sub so we can look it up on a map?

Chicago (Ogden Junction on UP) to Forest Park, and its connection with the Wisconsin Central. You'd probably need a large-scale map to make sense out of what's being said here. Historically, this was B&OCT's line to give access to Grand Central Station to the Soo Line and the Chicago Great Western.

A few years back I would make bike trips in to see what I could find along this line--usually a WC train would be sitting somewhere there, probably waiting its turn on the BRC. There was a years-long soil reclamation project in Oak Park that required construction of an extra track and the loading of "dirty dirt" in containers. A really neat concept, while it lasted. CSX took the cars to someplace in eastern Michigan, IIRC. Now the only industry along there is Ferrera Pan Candy (and long may Lemonheads, Atomic Fireballs, and other such goodies receive their ingredients by rail!).

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Posted by MP173 on Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:40 PM

Ferrera Pan Candy has to be a sweet account for CSX. 

I actually drove past the line today and didnt even notice anything.  It used to be a CN or before that WC train was always on the line. 

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Posted by Sawtooth500 on Saturday, February 06, 2010 12:54 AM
jscott

Not officially abandoned yet, but well on its way. Its utility dropped to zero when CN got the EJ&E. No need for the WC to use this route into the city when they can bypass it on the J. As a former part of the CREATE program the Alt sub would have required a complete rebuild of track and structure and the rebuilding and/or replacement of the bridges. All that's mute with the J in the family. Scott
Did you mean the WC or WSOR? The WC hasn't been around for a while, and yes they'd just use the J as they were merged into CN. But I remember somewhere someplace reading an article that the WSOR wanted this route to access the Clearing yard - this was when CP thought they were going to build into powder river and WSOR was concerned about increased traffic on the current CP route into the clearing yard and wanted to secure an alternate route for themselves... I know the line has no future with CN, but possibly the rails won't be ripped up for the sake of the WSOR?
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Posted by UChicagoMatt on Tuesday, December 05, 2017 6:49 PM

The matra system (intra-airport transit) is being extended east of Mannheim to the new centralized car rental facility. It is immediately adjacent to the Metra North Central Line O'Hare station. Midwest HSR has proposed a new station that would be seemlessly integrated into the new building. From here the CN (ex-Soo, ex-WC) is the no-brainer south to the junction with the B&OCT/Soo south along the Eisenhower east nearly to the loop. This route has almost no road crossings and would be high speed nearly all the way. 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:59 AM

There is still a fair number of grade crossings on the ex-WC between O'Hare and Forest Park.  Most of the bridges on the Altenheim Sub would also need to be rebuilt.  The line is hardly high-speed without major rebuilding.

More telling, Metra's North Central Service uses the MILW West Line for access to Chicago Union Station.

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Posted by rcdrye on Wednesday, December 06, 2017 7:52 AM

The line also threads a residential neighborhood in River Forest on an embankment before crossing Madison St at the River Forest/Forest Park line (dividing line between CN/WC/Soo and CSX/B&OCT).  I spent a long time looking at that section out the windows of my elementary school. The fill and alignment would have to be completely upgraded.  The changes made in the 1990s to clear double stacks on the C&NW/UP also forced single tracking.

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