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Posted by tatans on Sunday, January 24, 2010 5:15 PM

I see BNSF is now under Berkshire and owned by what's-his-name?  Does this mean there will be Dairy Queen advertising on the locomotives?   And, OH !  all you wise investors go out and buy some shares in Berkshire-Hathaway,, on friday they were listed at $108,850.00 PER SHARE !!!  Sure keeps the peasants away from the stock market eh? ?

 

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Posted by coborn35 on Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:26 PM

 I think Tatans needs to lay off the sauce...

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Posted by tatans on Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:11 PM

Berkshire-Hathaway  BRK.A  on the New York Stock Exchange traded Friday at  @ $105,000 per share, they traded 4500 shares, did you get any???? by the way, Warren Buffet makes $100,000  per year as CEO and still lives in the same house he grew up in, in Omaha.

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Posted by Geared Steam on Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:17 PM

coborn35

 I think Tatans needs to lay off the sauce...

 

Or change his name to "yesterdays news tomorrow"

Warren Buffet earned his way by being intelligent, and living modestly. Not sure what your issues are with people that have been successful, maybe get off your duff and dive in for your share?

 

 

 


 

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Posted by tree68 on Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:23 PM

Those are the voting shares.  If you want to invest at a slightly lower price, you might be able to if the board did this stock split of their "class B" stocks.  The split would bring them down to about $65 per share.

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Posted by Doublestack on Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:44 PM

 

I've heard that Berkshire Hathaway is going to change their logo to a GN Class BK-63 locomotive with the word "Hathaway" on the tender.     Sounds really cool.
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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Monday, January 25, 2010 9:02 AM

That's all from capital appreciation, such as by saving and reinvesting the earnings.  Famously - and almost uniquely - B-H has never paid a dividend.  So it's mainly for people who are investing for the long-haul, not the quick payouts, nor the widows and orphans, nor people who need a regular, and dependable income stream.

The price issue is why the Class B shares were created about 5 - 10 years ago, at exactly 1/30th of the value of the Class A shares.  Now - specifically to accomodate the smaller shareholders of BNSF in the acquisition, like me - the Class B's are being further split by a factor of 50, which gets us to the range that Larry/ tree68 mentioned.  This is something that Buffett would have resisted otherwise - someplace he said something about preferring to keep the 'culture' or mindset of the investors who had to pay those big bucks to get into the game.  But now even the 'peasants' can participate - see what changes the railroad has wrought, yet again ?

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Posted by Phoebe Vet on Monday, January 25, 2010 9:09 AM

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I see BNSF is now under Berkshire and owned by what's-his-name?  Does this mean there will be Dairy Queen advertising on the locomotives?   And, OH !  all you wise investors go out and buy some shares in Berkshire-Hathaway,, on friday they were listed at $108,850.00 PER SHARE !!!  Sure keeps the peasants away from the stock market eh? ?

 

I heard friday that they had declared a 50 to 1 split.

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Posted by schlimm on Monday, January 25, 2010 9:13 AM

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Warren Buffet earned his way by being intelligent, and living modestly. Not sure what your issues are with people that have been successful, maybe get off your duff and dive in for your share?

 

In your outrage, I think you missed the OP's point about Mr. Buffett.  Here's a tremendously successful CEO by any measure, yet he draws a very modest salary of only $100K, which isless than 1/100th the compensation drawn by mr. Rose, the current BNSF CEO. 

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Posted by MP173 on Monday, January 25, 2010 4:08 PM

A very, very minor correction.  His current house is not the residence he grew up in, but the house that he and Susie purchased early in their marriage.  A complete, well footnoted history of Mr. Buffet's life is available in the book The Snowball, by Alice Schroeder.  It is an authorized biography, but at this time the author and the subject are not communicating with one another, as it seems Ms. Schroeder detailed a little too much of Mr. Buffet's personal life.

The book is a laboreous read, nearly 900 pages.  Well worth it if you are a WB admirer, as I am.  While Mr. Buffet does draw a very modest salary, no doubt he receives considerable other income from sources outside BH.  Obviously, his wealth is considerable and in the form of BH stock.  Speaking of stock, Paul's description above is accurate, except that all shares are "voting", if I recall correctly. 

The A stock has never split, nor paid a dividend, as stated.  Thus, the stock price can be very accurately compared to the original price when Buffet assumed control.

One must wonder about the policy of never paying a dividend.  At some point, just as it was recently prior to the purchase of BNSF, a very large amount of cash will be on hand.  Investment opportunities, as Buffet has stated, are fewer with high possible returns.  So BH will either lower it's standards for returns or do something else with the $$$.

A person like WB will be rare to find going forward, as will his sidekick Charlie Munger. 

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Posted by Geared Steam on Monday, January 25, 2010 6:40 PM

schlimm
In your outrage,

 

 Outrage? I'm not the one that missed!

LaughLaughLaugh

 

 

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Posted by Bob-Fryml on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:53 AM

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That's all from capital appreciation, such as by saving and reinvesting the earnings.  Famously - and almost uniquely - B-H has never paid a dividend.  - Paul North.

"B-H has never paid a dividend."  Not quite a true statement.  Since Warren Buffett assumed control of Berkshire Hathaway over 4-decades ago, he paid a dividend once; but, I don't recall what year.  On more than one occasion, he's said that move was a mistake. 

From what I've read, Mr. Buffett really enjoys allocating capital -reinvesting the Berkshire Hathaway profits if you will - within the wholly owned subsidiaries.  Also, Mr. B figures that he will do better for the stockholders over the long run by investing the profits BH generates into solid opportunities that will generate long-term returns better than the U.S. Treasury Dept. 10-year note.

BNSF is really fortunate to have Mr. Buffett's company as an owner.  Freed now from having to appease the Wall Street critics, hedge fund sharks, greenmailers, and quick-buck buyout artists, C.E.O. Matt Rose and his team are at last able to devote their energies full time to building real value into their railroad.  I should hope they will develop a set of five year and ten year plans for capacity expansion, line changes, and improved customer business practices that will reduce profits in the short term, but position the railroad for an explosion of business and earnings in the future.    

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 7:35 AM

tatans

I see BNSF is now under Berkshire and owned by what's-his-name?  Does this mean there will be Dairy Queen advertising on the locomotives?   And, OH !  all you wise investors go out and buy some shares in Berkshire-Hathaway,, on friday they were listed at $108,850.00 PER SHARE !!!  Sure keeps the peasants away from the stock market eh? ?

 

   Well,  I'd guess the *peasants* that sold their BNSF stock to Berkshire Hathaway probably did allright.

    What does the storm door reference mean?  Is there a Gecko brand storm door?

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Posted by Modelcar on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:20 AM

tatans
by the way, Warren Buffet makes $100,000  per year as CEO and still lives in the same house he grew up in, in Omaha.

 

......And in a conversation he had with "Becky" of CNBC....he commented he didn't even remember what color the carpet was in his bedroom...Didn't pay that much attention to it.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:57 AM

Bob-Fryml

Paul_D_North_Jr
That's all from capital appreciation, such as by saving and reinvesting the earnings.  Famously - and almost uniquely - B-H has never paid a dividend.  - Paul North. 

"B-H has never paid a dividend."  Not quite a true statement.  Since Warren Buffett assumed control of Berkshire Hathaway over 4-decades ago, he paid a dividend once; but, I don't recall what year.  On more than one occasion, he's said that move was a mistake. [snip]

OK, Bob thanks for the correction/ new info to me.  I guess I can accept making the same mistake as Mr. Buffett did . . .  Smile,Wink, & Grin

I share your general views about BNSF's future prospects.  The one downside is now that I'm about to be involuntarily cashed out, I'll no longer be able to participate in those hoped-for financial gains, and likely no corporate investor's news and publications will be available, either.  Sigh

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:04 PM

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  Well,  I'd guess the *peasants* that sold their BNSF stock to Berkshire Hathaway probably did allright.

    What does the storm door reference mean?  Is there a Gecko brand storm door? 

Hopefully I will - IF the merger is approved as scheduled early next month/ February; and then depending on the relative prices of each share around that time; and the proportion of of the buy-out that is determined to be payable in stock vs. cash, after all of the requests for specific allocations of same are taken into account - the proposed merger concept is for that to be a nominal 60 per cent of B-H stock, and 40 per cent cash, so as to make it a tax-free exchange of shares to the IRS, or some such . . .

The storm door reference didn't resonate with me, either.  Here's a link to a list of B-H companies, none of which I immediately recognized as a storm door company - although, a few of these companies in turn have many more subsidiaries of their own:  

http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/subs/sublinks.html 

Interestingly, a few of those companies are already transportation-related - Marmon Holdings, Inc. has several rail or intermodal subsidiaries, most of which will be familiar to us.  See

  http://www.marmon.com/Companies/img/secs/WEB-TRANS_02.jpg 

Then there's Xtra Lease / Xtra Corporation, a highway trailer lessor, at - 

 http://www.xtralease.com/ 

and McLane trucking/ supply chain / logistics, at -

 http://www.mclaneco.com/wps/portal 

There may be others, too.   

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Posted by BNSFwatcher on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:40 PM

"We don't need no stinkin' peasants":  Hays.  Anyhoo, Berkshire Hathaway's control will be decided by BNSF (NYSE:  BNI) stockholders on 11 Feb 10.  We are getting about $100 / share for our BNI stock, or trade in for BRK/B shares, about 3-for-2.  The BRK/A shares, at $100k+, are not involved.  The front of the new BNSF locos (170 on-order) will feature GEICO's "Gekko", and the sides will have Coca-Cola, DQ, Kraft, J&J, etc., advertising.  BNI will disappear from the ticker and BRK/B will be included in the S&P "500".  Berkshire Hathaway is controlled by Warren Buffett (not Buffet) and I am very happy with the deal.  If you need instant gratification, look elsewhere.  BRK stock pays NO dividends.  It is for long-haulers, only.  Buy some for your grand kids!  Sorry, peasants!

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Posted by BNSFwatcher on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:58 PM

Would YOU tell "Becky", of CNBC, whomever she is, the color of the carpet in your bedroom?

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:07 PM

At least she didn't know....

I'll opine that the storm door reference was simply alluding to the many and varying types of companies owned by BH.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:50 PM

Laugh  Whistling

If so, a very creative shorthand summary.  Thumbs Up

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Posted by tatans on Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:26 PM

tree68

At least she didn't know....

I'll opine that the storm door reference was simply alluding to the many and varying types of companies owned by BH.

You opined right, it's exactly what I meant, included in his repertoire of shoe stores, burger joints, paints, wire, underwear, chemical cheese, etc etc he has massive interests in 2 other railways. btw- - This expression came from Jonathan Winters skit on "Grace L. Ferguson's Airline and Storm door Company"

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:19 PM

I worked with a guy who occasionally referred to the [some legitimate sounding business] and Live Bait Company...

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Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:19 PM

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Would YOU tell "Becky", of CNBC, whomever she is, the color of the carpet in your bedroom?

 

........If I remember correctly, they were talking {in an interview}, about the fact he still lived in the same house, etc, etc.....

Becky....CNBC early morning finance program.

 

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:40 PM

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. . . he has massive interests in 2 other railways. btw- - This expression came from Jonathan Winters skit on "Grace L. Ferguson's Airline and Storm door Company" 

Other than NS and UP ?  Buffett sold those off when he made this move on BNSF.

OK - still pretty funny - you get the points for remembering it and applying it correctly.  Thumbs Up

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