atsf 3751 website.

[traingeek087]

What's the official website of atsf 3751?

[Willy2]

Try 3751.com When I tried it, I got a website that branches off from trainweb.com. It's not the official 3751 website, but it looks like it may have some interesting photos and information.

Willy

[Anonymous]

Try this one: This is the real official one:

http://www.sbrhs.org/

The San Bernardino Railroad Historical Society is owner of 3751!

BTW: The Broadway Limited model of 3751 will be delivered soon - prototypes looks great!
http://www.broadway-limited.com/products/atsfsamp.htm

[M636C]

Ulrich,

One day a few years ago I was wandering around San Bernadino looking for places to photograph the yard, and I found this tender lettered "Santa Fe". When I got closer, there was a whole 4-8-4 there, with a stainless steel combine.

3751 appeared in the movie "Pearl Harbour". If I followed the plot correctly it was in New York City (where the station looked a lot like LA Union) and it was hauling stainless steel Burlington cars with "Silver" names.

The rest of the plot wasn't as close to reality as that part.

Peter

[Anonymous]

Peter,

was the 3751 under tarpaulins when you see them?

I have one Combo DVD "Above the rails - Rails around LA and 3751 over Cajon" filmed from a helicopter and they filmed the 3751 in the first movie in this way. The second one strted with the coupling of 3751 and tender at the Amtrak LA roundhouse.

I not seen "Pearl Harbour" before. 3751 in New York is one goof more in this movie. Sometimes I think the director never asked a Navy - expert before. many stupid goofs in the NAVY equipment, starting with big bow numbers - not used before 1950 and wrong types of ships - modern hull stiles.
Only the soundtrack with Faith Hill is great.

[M636C]

Ulrich,

No, 3751 was completely uncovered, but the headlight had been removed, and the fence was very close to it. I was able to get photos by climbing up the Metrolink overpass, which 3751 was right next to.

I thought the biggest problem in Pearl Harbour was the torpedo bombers attacking the Air Force base at Hickham Field, still carrying their torpedoes!

Another good bit was the B-25s launching from the "Hornet" Some of the scenes showed a ship that looked a lot like the second "Hornet", (not the one in the raid) but the shots of take off sometimes showed a wooden deck, and sometimes a steel deck with a C-135 steam catapault. I think they got the shots with the catapault by flying low over a "Nimitz" class, from which all the F/A-18s had been removed.

They painted all the 900 series numbers off the stored "Spruance" class, but that didn't make them look much like battleships!

Peter

[vsmith]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C



I thought the biggest problem in Pearl Harbour was the torpedo bombers attacking the Air Force base at Hickham Field, still carrying their torpedoes!

Another good bit was the B-25s launching from the "Hornet" Some of the scenes showed a ship that looked a lot like the second "Hornet", (not the one in the raid) but the shots of take off sometimes showed a wooden deck, and sometimes a steel deck with a C-135 steam catapault. I think they got the shots with the catapault by flying low over a "Nimitz" class, from which all the F/A-18s had been removed.

They painted all the 900 series numbers off the stored "Spruance" class, but that didn't make them look much like battleships!

Peter

Peter your being WAY too generous with this odiferous DOGPILE of a movie.
WOW was it BAD! The backers of "Gigli" mustn't have seen this to know Ben Afflick can be a TERRIBLE actor in the wrong roles. Where to begin on this rubish heap of a retelling:

The bomb that sunk the Arizona conveniently waiting until one of the actors could walk up to it and look at it before it exploded.

The airplanes that shrink in size to conventently fly down the alleys BETWEEN the warehouses on the base without hitting anything! I never see flying like this at airshows!

Only giving a slight hint of history to why Japan felt compelled to attack, (way better explained and portrayed in Tora Tora Tora!)

The horribly burned bombing victims WALKING into the hospital like they were on there lunch break!

The Hurricane Bowed Spruance class guided missle destroyers being passed off as pre-war ships. (jezzzuzz they had millions of $ computer animation and sets and STILL botched it big time, even in Tora tora Tora they only used super detailed models and life size wooden mockups and pulled off a WAY more beleiveable story)

The obvious B-25 on the USS Nimitz (everyone knows they had angled flight decks BEFORE the steam catapult was even INVENTED and INSTALLED ! )

Wasnt it convinient that Ben and his buddy who were FIGHTER pilots could just go off with Dolittles Raiders WITHOUT the months of secret training the REAL crews recieved!

and my favorite:

Wasnt it convienient that after they single handedly defeating the entire Japanese Army that attacks there downed B-25, Ben not only makes it back to the US rather fast, but he SOMEHOW MANAGES TO BRING HIS BUDDYS DEAD BODY BACK FROM CHINA WITH HIM!!!! COMPLETE WITHWOODEN COFFIN!!!!!

WOW HIS BUDDY STANK SOOO BAD I COULD SMELL IT IN THE THEATER!!!!

I was LAUGHIING MY *** OFF in the theaters when this happened, and openly saying "this is pure ***!" The REAL Dolittle Raiders left whoever died behind because most landed in enemy territory and many WOUNDED were left behind and captured, let alone the DEAD!

this movie was a HUGE disservice to veterans and survivors of December 7th 1941, the Dolittle Raiders, and to all vets of WW2 in general!

If you want to see a movie that used actual FACTS I suggest :

Tora! Tora! Tora!
which tells the story in amazing detail from BOTH SIDES, the best single movie of the subject.

Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo
Based on a novel by the pilot of the Ruptured Duck tells of their training the mission and of survival afetr. Made during WW2 and the wartime censureship it is still a riviting honest story of the event.

They made EVERYTHING including the aircraft carrier ON THE SET complete with REAL B-25 bombers rolling down the deck and it still looks way more accurate than Ben's movie!

[dharmon]

After sitting through BOTH DVDs with my domestic partner, she made the statement to the effect that she had found a movie that we both could enjoy.....Ugh.......it was a chick flick with a war in the background.....My response to her was that parts of it were true..the Japanese did, in fact bomb Pearl Harbor and the US did in fact launch a raid of B25s from an aircraft carrier, that bombed Japan and tried to make it on to China. US cryptologists just almost figure out the Japanese codes in time ....almost......sort of.....and there were American volunteers with the RAF.........The rest is...well.......all that was missing was Bruce Willis to blow up the asteroid....

[vsmith]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

After sitting through BOTH DVDs with my domestic partner, she made the statement to the effect that she had found a movie that we both could enjoy.....Ugh.......it was a chick flick with a war in the background.....My response to her was that parts of it were true..the Japanese did, in fact bomb Pearl Harbor and the US did in fact launch a raid of B25s from an aircraft carrier, that bombed Japan and tried to make it on to China. US cryptologists just almost figure out the Japanese codes in time ....almost......sort of.....and there were American volunteers with the RAF.........The rest is...well.......all that was missing was Bruce Willis to blow up the asteroid....

Your Lucky, you could at least look away from the Horror! and just stare at the coffe table faining interest. I was strapped to my chair in the theater, no where to turn to avoid the horrorshow, eyes propped open with a man behind me dripping Murine into my red swollen eyes as Beethovan's 9th screamed around me....Oh wait, that was little Alex in A Clockwork Orange, but the experience was much the same...only one WORSE experience...sitting through "Gigli" watching the hideuos acting of the two-headed Ben-j-lo beast-monster trying to act its way out of a wet paper sack and failing to, pity me...my wife like Ben Afflick Movies so I get dragged to each one, THE HORROR!

[vsmith]

Just to get us back on topic,

Anyone know when 3751 will be run again? Any excursions planned this year?

The website "latest news" hasnt been updated since June 2003.

[M636C]

I posted some notes earlier but they disappeared in a server crash!

I thought one last comment on "Pearl Harbour" the movie, from an Australian movie critic, while introducing "Tora Tora Tora" on a cable channel.

"I've been asked what these two movies are about - "Tora Tora Tora" is about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour in 1941 and "Pearl Harbour" is about Hollywood!"

And while still off-topic, It's worth noting that the same Japanese Fleet that attacked Pearl Harbour also attacked Australia, bombing Darwin in early 1942. While there were fewer ships lost, the civilian damage was much worse, and the extent of destruction was never fully reported officially due to concerns for wartime morale at the time.

But to get back to the subject: Is 3751 ever available for inspection between operational runs?

Peter