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[quote user="MichaelSol"][quote user="selector"][quote user="Bucyrus"][quote user="selector"] You can't fill a bathtub when the plug is out of place.  The plug orifice is miraculously eroding all the while, with the result that it's diameter is increasing.  There can't be a good end to all this.-Crandell[/quote]We either have to turn the water on more or take less baths.  I have heard people say that the richest nations should sacrifice some of their economic prosperity to conserve the earth's energy, which they believe to be finite.  Other people say the earth has a self-sustaining principle that will never let us down.[/quote]Turning up the tap would work, except the hole keeps getting bigger.  More people consuming as our popoulation rises means the hole is getting bigger.  These people need to live someplace, so that means deforestation...so less oxygen.  If we begin to build large platforms at sea on which to build cities, less sunlight to the water so less oxygen, less plankton, less consummables...you get the idea.  The problems we face are derivative of our collective penchant for taking up surface area and energy.[/quote]The United States, almost alone among rich countries, reduced its carbon output last year -- something the Kyoto signatories, ironically, did not or could not do. Kyoto government mandates were less effective than the American market-based approach. Rich countries, too, tend to reduce their population growth; indeed, they tend to drop below replacement numbers.The ultimate solution to pollution, environment degradation, and overcrowding is purely economic: increasing wealth and freedom. [/quote]I sure agree with that, but as you know, the richest countries are seen as the cause of the earth's environmental problems including the theory of manmade climate change.  They are blamed for consuming more than their share of resources and contributing more than their share of CO2.  However, I have to conclude that the blame for these supposed sins is actually assigned on the basis of wealth rather than pollution, since China, a major and blatant polluter, seems to be given a pass while the U.S. is held in the greatest contempt.  I agree that the ultimate solution is economic prosperity, but the solution being demanded is the punishment of achievement, rationing of resources in conjunction with an expansion of government, and equalizing the prosperity of the world's nations by taking from the rich ones and giving it to the poor ones.  Some speculate that the power that flows from this redistribution is the true motivation disguised as, and being sold as a climate crisis.
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