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Hello Michael,I wrote <blockquote><table border="0" class="quoteOuterTable"><tbody><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/TRC/CS/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif" border="0" /> Lars Loco wrote:</td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table border="0"><tbody><tr><td class="txt4"> Hello everybody,would like to supply some facts about maintance + fuel costs:In 1954, U.P. found out that:"During 1954, steam costs were found to be $145.14 per 1,000 gross ton-miles, and diesel costs were set at $84.03 per 1,000 gross ton-miles. The turbines came in even lower, at $69.19 per 1,000 gross ton-miles."(Found at Don Strack's utahrails.net)</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote>You wrote: We are starting to repeat ourselves here. Sorry, my post was not an intention to repeat things, but have not seen "hard facts" so far at this thread. Only liked to provide some, nothing more.Ok, my "facts" may not deliver the "whole" view of this subject, but U.P calculated maintance costs per "unit", despite how powerful or how old they were (in general).  In 1954,  mainline steam exits only between Green River and Nebraska. The only reason for this was, that U.P got cheap coal from their Wyoming  mines. The western district were already dieselized at this time, the difficult water supply in those areas was also a problem. The remaining steam engines of the U.P were either freshly shopped mainline steam or small branchline Units. I think at Ogden, they only kept 10 steamengines in '54.Can not support any data about the fuel costs, I only know that after WWII gasoline rised high (more than coal). However, in '1954 the situation may have changed, not sure about that. Well, maybe one day we may face the day coal will be much cheaper than oil, but it needs a whole industry to switch (not only trains!). I have neaver heard in Europe about such a projected, coal-fired (and even use steam-circle) locomotive.If we have something new, my propose is it will be a gas, methanol or even hydrogen (aka mini-nuke ;-)  ) driven locomotive.Best Regards Lars
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