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11-17-2009 10:35 PM
Offline dknelson
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General impressions of Milwaukee's Trainfest 2009

Those of us in Milwaukee look forward to Trainfest almost like a holiday -- with the same feeling of exhaustion afterwards.  Some random impressions (I am sure MR will be noting the new products announced).  I suspect the attendance might be a hair smaller than last year, so perhaps 20,000, but still, very well attended.  It actually helps if the weather is unpleasant without being positively foul. 

I volunteer each year at the registration for layouts/dealers on Friday and this year handed out program booklets at the door Saturday and for a bit on Sunday; I put in about 7 1/2 to 8 hours worth of volunteer time.  Let's just say, you meet all types ....  There is a large crew of really hard working, unpaid volunteers.    

John Tews, the director, has been at this several years and has most of it down to a routine but each year there seems to be new challenges and new issues, but I can see there is a real effort to address the problems of the year before.  This year for example it seemed the state fair park staff did not handle the parking situation as smoothly as they could have; that is out of our hands but I am pretty sure they will "hear" about the issues.  Many aspects of Trainfest are really out of our hands; Trainfest is just a renter of the facility and since it is government, .. well ... .

Trainfest is the main funding vehicle for our NMRA division, and thanks to Trainfest we meet each month in a spacious hotel conference room, with tiered seating and projection capability, with rooms for contests, swap meet, free video/DVD borrowing library, coffee, etc.  Our meets are all free and totally open to the public yet cost quite a bit so the money from Trainfest benefits all local model railroaders and many railfans who are not modelers. 

The main thing about Trainfest is operating layouts.  It is not a swap meet: it is layouts, displays, commercial dealers, and manufacturers.  Little or no used stuff is sold (except for railroad collectibles) and some first time visitors to Trainfest mention that it was not the sort of "train show" they are used to back home, but the advertising tries to make this emphasis on layouts very clear. 

General impressions?  Kids are still enthralled by trains.  The excitement level for kids is almost uncontrollable regardless of scale.  Thomas is still big but not essential to getting a kid excited.  A smaller but encouraging number of teens retain that interest.  It seems to me that age 10 is where we need to work to retain interest.  I think I saw more 18 year olds than 14 year olds for example.

One somewhat sad announcement this year was that the "Bits n Pieces" display layout was sold to a person out of state so this long standing attraction, which uses theatrical darkened lighting and a double deck (HO below, N above) to feature caricatures of signature Wisconsin scenes, will likely not be seen again at Trainfest.  That accounted for many hurrying over to the layout Sunday afternoon to get their last photos.   Most other layouts had been there before.  Among displays, an SS Edmund Fitzgerald display was near the familiar Great Lakes car ferry displays.  That was new.

John Dornfeld, well known custom builder and manufacturer ("Depots by John") was showing the fruits of his continuing effort to scratch build (to very high standards) EVERY structure that stood in Zachow Wisconsin in years gone by: houses, garages, sheds, depot, barns, industries, everything.  If you know anything about Zachow or have old pictures, John wants to hear from you.

Historical societies for Soo Line, Milwaukee Road, Chicago & North Western, Great Northern, and Green Bay & Western were represented.  Great to meet, at the Soo Line Historical Society booth, Dave Leider the editor of the NMRA's Midwest Region Waybill, for which I am the "Frugal Modeler" columnist. 

With the possible exception of local dealer Southside Trains and their $12.99 for RTR freight car sale, it seemed to me that the dealers were not offering the sort of jaw dropping "how can they sell that so cheap" item that was commonly seen in prior years.  Then again so much of what is offered from P2K, Kato, and other lines is out of my era that perhaps I was not paying full attention.  Lombard Hobbies was offering the Rapido pre-wired telephone poles at a greatly reduced price, more than 40% off.  That might have been the most interesting deal I saw.  Somehow I passed it up. 

New products.  Again I defer to whatever summary Model Railroader runs but it seemed the entire room was buzzing over Fox Valley Models' announcement of a complete 1935 Milwaukee Road Hiawatha train in both N and HO: that means the steamlined 4-4-2 as well as all the smooth side lightweight cars built in the Milwaukee shops.  The engines lasted into the early 1950s, the passenger cars beyond that into MOW and other service.  Fox Valley Models was also showing their previously announced N scale Gevo engines that had the N scale types pretty excited.   The detail level is exquisite.

Athearn was showing pre production models of an HO diesel and boxcar but I could see no sign stating what they were.  Walthers had built up versions of the Hewlett unloaders together with a great lakes boat, and some of their new structures including the Wadhams "pagoda" style gas stations that many of us Midwesterners remember from our youths.  Unlike last year they did not have demos of how to use their modular structure components.  Many dealers had the Walthers modulars for sale at rock bottom prices. 

I am not into tinplate in particular but both Mike's Train House, Bachmann, and Lionel had impressive tinplate displays. 

Mike's Train House was showing a Milwaukee Road (and presumably South Shore) "Little Joe" electric in HO that had many local modelers very excited.  The display model was impressive in size and detail.  I hope I won't be sued for saying that.  

The Lionel display had a steel industrial look with trains running on a high overhead beam and at each corner, four stacked up circles of track with running trains.  Most Lionel stuff is toy trains but some of it is really scale models that run on 3 rail track.   

Kadee was not present which surprised me; they had been a regular in recent years.  In years past they had great deals ($20) on their RTR freight cars, also examples of the entire coupler line to review, and free samples of couplers!  But looking at the Walthers catalog for 2010 they have evidently changed their HO freight car line to be almost entirely special runs; the catalog has just about nothing.  While those Kadee cars are very pricey at full price they are really nice cars and I hope Kadee returns to Trainfest in future years. 

Chooch was also not present nor was Woodland Scenics.  I always worry about outfits that were regulars and then drop out. 

Several outfits were offering high quality die cast collectible vehicles such as Norscot (the new HO UPS truck is out). 

Accurail had the usual Trainfest specials covering local Wisconsin railroads.  I bought a Soo Line 40' boxcar.  The other offerings were out of my era.  Very friendly folks from Accurail.

In the scenery department I was pleased to see Timberline return because they have some high quality items that are not easily found locally, such as their "pond scum."   It would be the rare hobby shop that could display their entire line.  Sweet deal: what they did not have on display they offer at 40% off until the end of the year if you enter the "secret" Trainfest code that they handed out on flyers. 

New -- I think -- to Trainfest was Scenic Express with a very extensive display of Silflour, Heki, and other European and American scenery lines.  I indulged heavily in Silfour since no dealer locally offers it.  Expensive but so unique, and with my purchase they threw in one of the most lavishly illustrated color catalogs I have ever seen.

And an old reliable, "Tool Man" from Texas (Billy Carr) was there with his usual selection of fascinating tools, some of them dirt cheap like the dental picks.  I bought one of those flexible Zona saws that lets you cut flush on a flat surface.  I have yet to think what I'll use it for but I had to have it.

This is not a complete report -- just my general and casual impressions.  I spent about 13 hours there all told and am still somewhat footsore, broke, and dazed.  Can't wait until November 2010!

Dave Nelson

 

 

 

 

 

11-18-2009 1:28 PM In reply to
Offline DavidGSmith
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Re: General impressions of Milwaukee's Trainfest 2009

 I was there working in the NFR NMRA booth. We build models and people just stop by and talk. It is very popular in southern Ontario where we are from. This was the second year and it must have been okay , we are invited back next year. We had two local modellers join us a man and wife team. All had a great time.

Dave

11-18-2009 8:02 PM In reply to
Offline MRRSparky
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Re: General impressions of Milwaukee's Trainfest 2009

My wife and I travelled from Tacoma, WA my Amtral both ways to the show.  Spent several days touring Milwaukee before the show.  Went to Walthers train shop, several mansion tours, walked around the ritzy home areas, and generally had a good time.  Stayed away from brewery and Harley tours; did the Jelly Belly tour. 

This was my first time at the show, and I thought it was very well laid out, and very well handled.  Hearing about 20,000 attendees made me nervous, but I had no difficulty seeing what I wanted more or less when I wanted to. 

On Saturday, a friend went with me who is only marginally interested in model trains, but he seemed quite taken with the G-scale trains.  He had no idea there were trains meant for running outside in the garden.

On Sunday, my wife went with me to look a layouts, and we had a good time getting ideas for my layout. 

As to deals, I bought two Tsunami Diesel Atlas light board decoders for $80 less $5 cash rebate on both.  Badger was selling what looks to be a pretty good double-action internal mix top feed airbrush - called a Patriot Model 105 - for $60, including a Modelflex paint set and a very nice undecorated Athearn 60' box car to practice on.  I felt pretty good with those prices. 

Tony's Train Exchange was selling the same decoder for a little more than the list price of $99.  Another vendor was selling Intermountain semi-scale 33" wheelsets for $8 each, normally $10.  All in all, pretty good.

In the past, I've been involved with trying to set up and run similar train shows for the 4th Division PNR.  All of them lost money, or almost broke even.  I learned from Trainfest that we needed to charge the full boat admission both days for adults, and not to give discounts to NMRA members.  In our case, we didn't charge for parking and should have.  The venue we chose was about as expensive as it gets in this area. 

I am no longer involved in these train shows locally, the the 4th Division cancelled that last planned one - partly because of prior losses, but mostly because noone would volunteer to take over and run the show.  Getting volunteers for anything is extremely difficult.  I became so disillusioned that I did not renew my NMRA membership; also partly because of the high cost with little value to me.

11-19-2009 1:23 AM In reply to
Offline cahrn
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Re: General impressions of Milwaukee's Trainfest 2009

dknelson:
General impressions?  Kids are still enthralled by trains.  The excitement level for kids is almost uncontrollable regardless of scale.  Thomas is still big but not essential to getting a kid excited.  A smaller but encouraging number of teens retain that interest.  It seems to me that age 10 is where we need to work to retain interest.  I think I saw more 18 year olds than 14 year olds for example.
 

Dave, 

 I agree with your observation, but I'd like to offer my perspective as well. As a young kid I loved trains and they were always my greatest interest. Once I got into middle school in like 2000 my interest really became dormant. I was still interested but I couldn't model much on my own, and it was difficult to get to the train shop to pick up supplies because my parents couldn't always drive me. Trains pretty much remained eclipsed by video games and tabletop war games. By the time I'd graduated high school, trains were growing back into the big picture.

I've been in college for two years now, and I'm as interested in trains as ever. As luck would have it I go to school on the east coast and my layout is on the west coast at home, so trains dont come with me to school at all. I feel like a lot of younger people kind of phase out trains for a little while only to have them grow back into the big picture after a few years.

 

-Cahrn 

11-19-2009 3:57 PM In reply to
Offline trrjohn
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Re: General impressions of Milwaukee's Trainfest 2009

TRAINFEST 2009, America’s Largest Operating Model

 Railroad Show, achieves another record success.

 Milwaukee, WI, (November 19, 2009)

 

Trainfest maintains its position as America’s Largest Operating Model Railroad Show again this year, drawing more than 21,000 attendees.  In fact, 2009 Trainfest attracted more adults than it has in the last decade with this year’s adult attendance increasing 6.5%.  (Attendance numbers do not reflect the nearly 1,900 exhibitors who participated in the show.)  In concert with strong attendance, retailers experienced increased sales, this in despite a very challenging economy.  Trainfest was held at the Exposition Center at Wisconsin State Fair Park, Saturday, Nov. 14 and Sunday, Nov.15.   2009 was the second year of hosting the private exclusive Friday Product Showcase event, where avid enthusiasts with a special purchased ticket can meet in a quieter surround with exhibitors, distributors and retailers. Again, Trainfest scored a success with the 38% increase in Friday Product Showcase ticket sales.Indicators are that this preview private event will continue to grow.  According to Richard Ramskugler, “This was the first time we attended the Product Showcase and we enjoyed it tremendously. We were able to talk to the dealers in a more relaxed and less congested atmosphere, which was great.  We were also able to view their products, ask questions AND they had the time to devote to us. We are looking forward to it next year.”  The Friday Product Showcase had appeal from coast-to-coast with hobby dealers from California to Florida and Georgia, and as far away as Tokyo, Japan and Frankfort, Germany.  There were many opportunities to see new products from more than 60 manufacturers who participated.  Friday Product Showcase ticket holders also receive a train “grab bag” with randomly selected gifts along with train sets and locomotive door prizes.  Sponsors included Athearn/Horizon Hobbies, Accurail, Broadway Limited, DCC Systems, Kalmbach Publishing, Marklin, Micro-Trains, M.T.H. Electric Trains, Model Rectifier Corp., NCE/North Coast Engineering and Wm. K. Walthers.Again this year, Trainfest was home to many manufacturer’s clinics and exhibitor demonstrations, a few more than in 2008.  “Attendance at the clinics was up roughly 75% and includes both those held in the second floor conference rooms, as well as on the show floor,” said John Tews. Considering youth attendance was down slightly from 2008, it was not apparent on the show floor.  Radio Disney was on-site with two 90-minute programs on Sunday that were extremely well attended with many parents commenting this was their first time to Trainfest.  More than 900 children participated in make-and-take crafts and the line for the Disney prize wheel seemed to snake on endlessly over the three hour program.  In addition to Radio Disney, the Blau Pewaukee Road LEGO® Layout attracted well over 500 kids to their “Build and Play LEGO Brick Area”.  The circus train ride for kids had continuous movement throughout the show with more families purchasing train hats and whistles.  Trainfest Executive Director John H. Tews stated he was pleased to maintain the record attendance position set last year considering the current economic climate and enjoyed hearing retailers had either strong sales or increased sales. On behalf of Trainfest, I would like to thank our exhibitors, layout operators, clinicians and manufacturers and especially the WISE Division board of directors along with the Trainfest Committee for their assistance and continued support of Trainfest – making America’s Largest Operating Model Railroad Show a continued success.

With Best Regards, in the Spirit of Model Railroading,

-

John-John H. Tews, MMRExecutive Director, Trainfest

 

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