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11-15-2009 10:50 AM
Offline wrawroacx
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Train Crash For Movie Or No?

Is this for a movie or was this actually real http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFKc7NfTabw

11-15-2009 11:35 AM In reply to
Offline henry6
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Re: Train Crash For Movie Or No?

I would think that if it were for a movie the moving vehicle would have flipped several times in the air and exploded in flames.  There would also have been a buxom and somwhat scantly clad woman in one of the frames!

11-15-2009 5:23 PM In reply to
Offline TrainManTy
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Re: Train Crash For Movie Or No?

It looks real, and judging from the video description, it has a plausable storyline. The only thing I'm a little wary of is how well the camera pan to follow the vehicle as it passed worked. I guess the cameraman got lucky!

11-15-2009 8:42 PM In reply to
Offline Paul_D_North_Jr
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Re: Train Crash For Movie Or No?

TrainManTy:
. . . judging from the video description, it has a plausable storyline. [snip]

The part about the weed-killing spray that makes the rail slippery, until it dries - only this batch didn't dry ? 

- PDN.

 

11-15-2009 8:57 PM In reply to
Offline BaltACD
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Re: Train Crash For Movie Or No?

The thing that gets me....we have derailed & damaged equipment that appears to be passenger equipment with serious crash inflicted damgage, however, there doesn't appear to be any track damge in the area.  Something doesn't add up to me.  The piece of equipment that barrels through the scene would appear to be derailed going through the scene.  How it could have developed the speed that it goes through the area with, if it was in fact responding to the incident, opens a whole world of questions.

11-15-2009 9:01 PM In reply to
Offline route_rock
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Re: Train Crash For Movie Or No?

  That was crazy stupid lol.I dont know how weed killer would cause the rail to be soooo slippery. maybe they use something different in Croatia. I dont know though the track doesnt look like its messed up so it does seem far fetched.

11-15-2009 9:12 PM In reply to
Offline tomikawaTT
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Re: Train Crash For Movie Or No?

Just why were there that many camera- and equipment-packing 'bystanders' all over the area?  Not to mention that they all seemed to be expecting the ??? that came flying around the curve.

Likewise, the derailed, damaged equipment seemed to have been placed with care.  The cloud of dust didn't resemble anything I've ever seen in an honest derailment video.  And, again, why were there a couple of dozen people milling around what appears to be fairly remote rural scenery?

My verdict - Setup, from start to finish.

Chuck (Former AF QC inspector, involved in several aircraft accident investigations)

11-15-2009 9:38 PM In reply to
Offline TomDiehl
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Re: Train Crash For Movie Or No?

It might help to have someone that speaks Croatian (or what ever language they speak over there) to translate what's being said.

11-15-2009 10:00 PM In reply to
Offline Bucyrus
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Re: Train Crash For Movie Or No?

I would say that passenger derailment is real, and the crowd and rescue people are responding to the accident.  There appears to be some track damage in that cut that may have been the result of the passenger derailment.  The damage appears to be misalignment and some minor abrasion and tearing of the ties and ballast.  If I stop the video several times as it looks at the track just before the truck comes through, I seem to see some dips and slight misalignment of the track. 

 

I think that is what derailed the truck.  You can see it dip on its right side as it comes through that cut.  I believe that is where it went on the ground.  It may have even clipped those passenger cars as it went past them.  I would guess that the truck came upon the scene without being flagged, and they were unprepared to stop.  I think it’s totally real.  If it were a setup, the odds are that it would at least appear to depict something that makes sense.  Instead, what the video shows is something that comes off as very confusing if you only have the video to go by.  It's real.

 

Just looking at it again, I am not sure what that rail vehicle is.  I called it a truck, thinking it was some sort of hi-rail truck, but I tend to think it is a rail-only unit.  It definitely clips that first passenger car, and maybe both of them.  You can see the sun glint in the windshield jump around with the impact.

11-15-2009 11:20 PM In reply to
Offline tbdanny
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Re: Train Crash For Movie Or No?

Hi,

I usually post on the Model Railroader forums, but I thought I'd weigh in on this issue.  This particular clip doesn't feel like something that would fit into a movie.  All the people standing around what is supposed to be a wilderness setting would ruin the illusion of remoteness.  And the significant period of sitting around and waiting at the beginning and end of the clip would just slow down the pace of the movie.

And just after the rail truck crashes, there's a look of genuine surprise on a couple of the bystanders' faces - doesn't look faked.

That's my 

Cheers,

tbdanny

11-16-2009 2:01 AM In reply to
Offline silicon212
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Re: Train Crash For Movie Or No?

Definitely not faked ...

In fact, in this video you can clearly see the damage to the track structure.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9yuxv_croatia-train-crash_news

 

11-16-2009 7:13 AM In reply to
Offline TrainManTy
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Re: Train Crash For Movie Or No?

Paul_D_North_Jr:

TrainManTy:
. . . judging from the video description, it has a plausable storyline. [snip]

The part about the weed-killing spray that makes the rail slippery, until it dries - only this batch didn't dry ? 

- PDN.

 

 

I agree, that doesn't make sense, but we all know how non-railroaders and the press get railroad details wrong...the weedkilling spray could be anything from actual weedkilling spray to curve grease to ground-up leaves on the tracks.

After seeing that video posted later on the thread, I think the video is real. The photographer was pretty smooth and steady with the various shots so I think he/she is pretty good; panning well to follow the out-of-control train is plausable.

11-16-2009 9:48 AM In reply to
Offline Bruce Kelly
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Re: Train Crash For Movie Or No?

The doubters among you can just Google this: "train wreck Rudine Croatia."
11-16-2009 4:23 PM In reply to
Offline BaltACD
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Re: Train Crash For Movie Or No?

11-16-2009 4:29 PM In reply to
Offline Kootenay Central
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Re: Train Crash For Movie Or No?

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