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Last post 09-29-2009 5:43 AM by marcimmeker. 18 replies.
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09-27-2009 5:22 AM In reply to
Offline sgtbean1
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Re: Complicated train crash in the Netherlands

Paul,

you're right they used a Leopard recovery tank, not a normal one. In short, what they did was secure the tank to two locomotives to give it an ancorage, then used the winch to pull the wreckage apart. They couldn't use the bulldozer blade to effectively "brace" the tank as they normally would, because of the amount of underground wires that could be damaged in the process. That's why they used the two locomotives as counter weights.

Some pictures can be found here:

http://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuws/2009/09/26/46136127/Leopard_bergingstanks_ruimen_verongelukte_locomotieven

And even more (although watermarked) here (use the "volgende" link on the bottom to see more):

http://www.anp-photo.com/search.pp?flush=1&keyword=barendrecht

09-28-2009 4:25 PM In reply to
Offline Paul_D_North_Jr
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Re: Complicated train crash in the Netherlands

Thanks for the confirmation, additional information, and photo links - too bad that one photographer apparently has a bad case of vertigo. 

Most likely it is one of the Leopard 2 'Buffel' variants that was used - i'm no expert, but a little Internet research led me to this, for those who are interested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bergepanzer_Bueffel.jpg 

See also this Wikipedia article

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_2#Engineering_and_driver_training_tanks 

Engineering and driver training tanks
BPz3 "Büffel", German Army.
Bergepanzer BPz3 Büffel (Gr. Buffalo) The BPz3 armoured recovery vehicle (ARV) includes both a bulldozer and a crane with integral winch, allowing it to approach damaged vehicles, even over rough and fought-over terrain, and tow them to safety. It is equipped with a machine gun for local self-defence, a smoke grenade launcher, and NBC protection. Like the tank, it is powered by a 1,500 PS (1,479 hp, 1,103 kW) diesel engine. In service with Germany (where it is also designated Büffel or Bergepanzer 3 for Salvage Tank 3), The Netherlands (who co-developed it and call it Buffel), Austria, Greece, Spain (where it is called Leopard 2ER Bufalo), Sweden (in modified form as the Bgbv 120), Canada, and Switzerland.

Also, here's a link to an article (in German ?) with more details and specifications

 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergepanzer_B%C3%BCffel 

- Paul North.

09-28-2009 11:05 PM In reply to
Offline beaulieu
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Re: Complicated train crash in the Netherlands

Marc, are the lines through the area still equipped with the ATB-EG system or the newer ATB-NG safety system? No system likes the multiplicity of routes possible at the northern throat of Kifhoek Yard. Eventually the freight tracks in the area are to receive ETCS, but I haven't heard that this had been done yet.

 

Edit - I found the answer myself, the line is equipped with both ATB-EG (1st generation safety system) and ATB-NG (improved system), no ETCS yet. The Railion locomotives were only equipped with the early ATB-EG system. This system has a flaw in that if the locomotives are moving at 40 kph or less the Automatic Train Stop function will not stop the train from passing a red signal. The newer ATB-NG system works down to 10 kph.

09-29-2009 5:43 AM In reply to
Offline marcimmeker
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Re: Complicated train crash in the Netherlands

The major problem, as I understand it, is that Kijfhoek - Barendrecht - IJsselmonde / Rotterdam harbor line is used by both the dedicated freight trains on the harbor line - Betuweroute - Germany and freight trains that use the domestic rail lines. The new Betuweroute and the upgraded harbor line have ETCS (the one on the harbor line as well as the very last part of the 25 kV electrification are about to be activated I believe) and the rest ATB-EG.

As usual (at least over here) it is a both a technical problem and a monetary one. If I understood things correctly this weekend, the technical side has not been figured out completely and the usual wrangling about who pays for what and when also has not come to a satisfactory conclusion for all parties involved. The same problem exists at Zevenaar at the other end of the Betuweroute. We had an incident there just a week earlier.

ATB-EG is the first generation train control, again as I understand it, and it has a design feature that allows limited operation when there is a system failure. The max speed then is 40 kph. This was done to keep things fluid. Which is why almost all major accidents of the last ten years or so have involved trains moving at speeds below 40 kph.

The design feature could now be regarded as a mistake or flaw I guess but it does come in as very handy on a railsystem with 5000+ passenger trains, 200+ freight trains and about 1.2 million passengers a day. Leave those passengers stranded for very long and things might go out of hand.

For a long time it was stated that ATB-EG and ATB-NG (new generation) could not work together but some time ago it was proven that it could (on the Gouda - Alphen aan den Rijn line were regular haevy trains use ATB-EG and light rail ATB-NG). So ATB-NG has been installed only in dedicated places like large branchline networks in the north and east. According to Wikipedia the last ATB-EG has been installed as recently as 2001-2002.

See this map: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATB_Nieuwe_Generatie

red = no ATB (2 short freight only branches, 1 inactive passenger line, 4 museum operations and 3 active and 2 inactive border crossings with Germany in the southeast and 3 bordercrossings with Belgium in the south)

blue = ATB-EG

dark green = ATB-NG

light green = ECTS/ERTMS

The relevant Wikipedia articles in Dutch (for those who want to translate things for themselves):

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATB_Nieuwe_Generatie

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATB_Eerste_Generatie

There are also two variants:

ATBM+ which is in use on the line Den Haag Mariahoeve - Leiden - Hoofddorp (-Schiphol and Amsterdam) to allow the Thalys tgv sets to run at 160 kph were everything else is restricted to 140 kph. It overlays some ATB-NG features on ATB-EG.

ATB-E (E = eenvoudig or simplified) is a system were part of it (the brains so to speak) is in a movable box. It is used for some rail construction equipment as well as steam engines from museum operators. By law since 2009 everything that uses the tracks must have ATB.

Hope this clarifies things.

In this small, densely populated country things often take a long time to get done, particularly if it relates to spatial planning. Everyone wants to have a say in matters / wants to be heard / express an opinion. Often incidents like what happened at Barendrecht are needed to speed things up. If you ever had the pleasure of working with my countrymen and -women you know what I talk about.

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