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09-21-2009 4:09 PM
Offline upjake
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C&NW question

What year/years did the Chicago and North Western stop using the green stripes and '400 route' slogans on their diesels? Also what was more common on CNW trains during the 1950s, bay window cabooses or the old wood ones?
09-21-2009 4:28 PM In reply to
Offline wjstix
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Re: C&NW question

Well the CNW's "400" last ran in 1963, so I'm sure that slogan wasn't applied after that. It may have not been added to new engines or repaints for a while before that though...seems to me the M-St.L units that got repainted in 1960-61 didn't have the slogans(??)

The striping seems to have kinda been phased out. Some had a simplified striping into the seventies...it only had one or two stripes coming down from the top, kinda like chevrons (like a US private's or corporal's stripes, only upside down). See the (Baldwin?) on the right.

The Omaha Road (C.St.P.M.& O.) seemed to have quite a few wood bay window cabooses. The CNW proper had some too but I think they didn't predominate until they started getting steel ones in the sixties.

09-22-2009 8:36 AM In reply to
Offline dknelson
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Re: C&NW question

I have seen a photo taken in the very early 1970s of a switcher that still had its slogan on the side, but the slogan stopped being applied well before the 400 was discontinued and was pretty rarely seen by the mid 1960s.  There were still some wood cabooses in the early 1960s on MOW trains and I have to think the 1950s saw more of them in regular service, the CNW being so cheap and all.  I do think they got their first steel bay window cabooses in the 1950s.

I have photos taken in the 1980s (of older power) that showed the reduced chevron striping mentioned above.  I'd hazard a guess of about 1960 for when they started to cut back on the chevrons.  An EMD ad in Railway Age from 1957 shows the full striping on new (I think) GP18s.

Dave Nelson

09-22-2009 1:09 PM In reply to
Offline markpierce
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Re: C&NW question

Here is a CNW "them song."  Click on to listen.

http://www.stumbleaudio.com/#joeprice3/14

My apologies to Joe Price if I mangled his lyrics:

"Two miles ahead, three miles back,

Miles and miles of this railroad track,

We are walkin' on Chicago Northwestern Line.

Look at Sammy, look at Jack

Pounding spikes and alignin' track.

They are working on Chicago Northwestern Line

Walkin' ease with the wind at our back,

Up and down this railroad track,

CNW is right on time

Rolling by at a half past nine.

Dead Will here, dead Will there

They don’t worry, and they don’t care,

They are rollin' down Chicago Northwestern Line ..."

Mark

09-25-2009 5:57 PM In reply to
Offline upjake
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Re: C&NW question

wjstix:

Well the CNW's "400" last ran in 1963, so I'm sure that slogan wasn't applied after that. It may have not been added to new engines or repaints for a while before that though...seems to me the M-St.L units that got repainted in 1960-61 didn't have the slogans(??)

The striping seems to have kinda been phased out. Some had a simplified striping into the seventies...it only had one or two stripes coming down from the top, kinda like chevrons (like a US private's or corporal's stripes, only upside down). See the (Baldwin?) on the right.

The Omaha Road (C.St.P.M.& O.) seemed to have quite a few wood bay window cabooses. The CNW proper had some too but I think they didn't predominate until they started getting steel ones in the sixties.

I can understand getting rid of the slogans due to passenger travel decline, but the stripes always seemed like a nice safety feature for diesels. Thanks for the information.
09-25-2009 7:06 PM In reply to
Offline nordique72
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Re: C&NW question

The CNW phased out the "Route of the 400s" lettering by 1956- the GP9s delivered in 1957 (1725-1773)came with single nose chevrons and no "400" lettering on the flanks. The last series of units to arrive with full chevrons and "400" lettering were the H16-66s delivered in 1956 in number series 1901-1906. (Which ironically also said "Route of the Streamliners"- which had stopped running via CNW the previous fall)  The GP18s delivered in 1960 were originally delivered with single stripe chevrons- when the first GP30s arrived in 1962 the plain yellow/green was the standard, at the same time ex-L&M and M&StL units were repainted into the plain scheme (MSTL units got MSTL sublettering on the cabs).

The CNW's first steel bay window cabooses from International Car in Kent, Ohio in 1955- they were bright red with yellow railings. The lettering was white and they had black/white CNW heralds on the sides. Prior to that the CNW's caboose fleet was mostly wooden and steel cupola cabooses and some wooden drovers style cabooses.

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