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09-02-2009 3:31 AM
Offline daveklepper
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Quiz: PRW used by both rail and busses

List all the North American locations you positively know where rail and buses share a dedicated right-of-way.   This includes dedicated street lanes without private traffic, separate rights-of-way, tunnels, bridges, etc.

09-03-2009 3:11 AM In reply to
Offline daveklepper
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Re: Quiz: PRW used by both rail and busses

For starters, the Seattle "Bus Tunnel" subway, now used also by light rail, and Pittsburgh's Mount Washington transit tunnel.   St. Clair station on the Young Street Subway Line?   I know the St. Clair streetcars have an underground interchange station there.   Does the Rogers and do possibly other bus lines use that interchange station?

09-03-2009 3:16 PM In reply to
Offline Kootenay Central
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Re: Quiz: PRW used by both rail and busses

The large subterranean streetcar and bus interchange on the TTC is located at the St. Clair WEST subway station.

http://www3.ttc.ca/Subway/Stations/St_Clair_West/station.jsp

The ramps into/out of the station can be seen in the following from Bing Maps.

http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=r8dk178cfv4b&style=o&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&scene=28297551&encType=1

The air quality where Diesel busses operate underground can be quite poor at any location.

Streetcar descending into St Clair West Station. Busses operate here, also.

http://transit.toronto.on.ca/images/streetcar-4110-02.jpg

TCC streetcar gauge is wider than Standard Gauge of 56 1/2 inches.

Historically, near the end of streetcar operation in 1959, Montreal paved portions of two streetcar rights of way when some routes were bussed, but still had to share a right of way where streetcars still operated, the busses carrying the route number of the streetcars they replaced, running with streetcars that were still running on other routes not yet converted.

Didn't last long, a year or two.


 

09-04-2009 4:37 AM In reply to
Offline daveklepper
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Re: Quiz: PRW used by both rail and busses

So the underground bus and streetcar station on on the University-Shephard route and not on the Young route.  A memory error on my part.   What are the current interchange arrangements at St. Clair and Young?

Also, since you are knowledgeable about Toronto, maybe you can add information about Calgary and/or Edmonton?   PRW sharing light rail and buses?

09-10-2009 11:31 PM In reply to
Offline davidmbedard
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Re: Quiz: PRW used by both rail and busses

 Calgary 7th ave S is a Transit only ave and is for LRT and Bus only.....not so much fun to drive on though.

David B

09-15-2009 3:18 AM In reply to
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Re: Quiz: PRW used by both rail and busses

How many of the articulated cars does Calgary run coupled-mu in one rush-hour train today?   About how many buses go through S. 7th in one direction during one rush hour and how many trains?   Are the buses also articulated or conventional?   Do they all run just on diesel or are any on battery or other fuels?

09-16-2009 12:42 AM In reply to
Offline gardendance
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Re: Quiz: PRW used by both rail and busses

I'm not sure it's appropriate to include Toronto's St Clair West station in the list without also including all other loops that happen to have LRV's and buses. The streetcar private right of way access might be a bit more than 1 block long on each side, and it's a through station for the streetcar, as opposed to a terminal loop, such as plain old St Clair station, and for all I know maybe some of the bus routes go through the station as opposed to terminating. There's at least 1 bus ramp that's separate from the streetcar ramps.

I guess your reasoning for including it is that it's a fairly substantial structure, whereas a regular streetcar end of the line loop shared with a bus line is usually just a convenience store gas station sized parcel.

 In Philadelphia we had poor man's private right of way, we painted a few 'trolley only' lanes on portions of Girard Ave trolley route 15 starting about 30 years ago. One stretch by the zoo also got the benefit of getting raised a few inches abiove the rest of the street lanes. I was stupefied that when they occasionally substituted buses, at one point for about 10 years, the buses for the most part did not use the areas that had been designated 'trolley only'.

09-16-2009 3:49 AM In reply to
Offline daveklepper
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Re: Quiz: PRW used by both rail and busses

YOu are correct as to how I made the distinction.  How about some other answers?  Do any of the bus routes use part of the "neutral ground" used by the restored Canal, New Orleans  streetcars?   Portland?  Shared with either MAX or the streetcar?   Downtown Long Beach, CA?   Houston?    Dallas?   Denver? 

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