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09-26-2009 8:51 AM In reply to
Offline Optisailorusa
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Re: Gravel Glue

That would be awesome if you could keep me updated!

Thanks

09-26-2009 11:00 AM In reply to
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Re: Gravel Glue

jhsimpson62:
mixture rate was 15 lbs to 1 ton.

That’s something in the neighborhood of 0.34 grams of stabilizer to a pound of fines.  One pound of crusher fines will ballast about 5 foot of rail.  Sounds like you have enough to last a lifetime.

09-27-2009 6:22 AM In reply to
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Re: Gravel Glue

Tom, That sounds about right for ratio. I haven't looked in the bag yet, but it must be some really fine power. We had some real heavy rains last week and I have a few places which will be attacked first. Jack

09-27-2009 10:53 AM In reply to
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Re: Gravel Glue

Remember to mix it dry, spread and tamp into position, then sprinkle with water to activate the stabilizer.  When I work a new section, I use a 1/2x1/2 stick as a tamping rod.  I fill the fines to about half the height of the rails, tamp it down, then sweep the extra into the next section to work. After everything is tamped into position, I fill a watering can and gently add the water.  Half gallon of water is enough for 5~8 foot of rails. 
09-27-2009 11:18 AM In reply to
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Re: Gravel Glue

MIXING:  You are going to need to ensure a good thorough mix.  At my “rock shop” they use a small cement mixer and let it run for ten minutes for each load.  You might consider getting a small rubber mixing barrel at Home Depot.  The ones I’ve seen look like a five-gallon water cooler without the spigot. Mount a set of 4 wheels to support the barrel and then just spin it in place. 

 

09-28-2009 5:32 AM In reply to
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Re: Gravel Glue

Tom, Thanks for the hints on mixing and laying the ballast and stablizer. Your method of ballasting sounds just like I've been doing (without the stablizer). My biggest concern is in getting the crusher fines dried out enough to get a good mix. Not a big deal, its just going to take time. Jack

09-28-2009 1:06 PM In reply to
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Re: Gravel Glue

I was told to use about 8 ounces to 1- 5 Gal bucket of stone dust. I weight the 5 Gal bucket with the stone dust "dry" and came up with 61.5 lbs. I then thought 1/2 that would be 30.75 lbs to 4 ounces. I took that 30+/- lbs and put into an old empty drywall mud bucket ,I then mix the 4 ounces to the half full/empty bucket .I placed the cover of the bucket on tightly then I shake/ rattled and rolled it!!! I then placed the mix were I wanted it and I watered it then tamped/pressed it into place and then went to York! I'll look when I get home today. It rained all day Sunday, good test?
09-28-2009 6:36 PM In reply to
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Re: Gravel Glue

Sounds to me like you have the situation solved!  I have given up trying to figure out why the stabilizer does not wash away in rain or sprinkler systems.  I’ve been using it for 4~5 years now and just love it because it is renewable/reusable.  It is 99.9% idiot proof, so long as you keep it away from the points in a turnout.

09-28-2009 7:51 PM In reply to
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Re: Gravel Glue

It set up nicely, and I'll cont. using it on the rest of the layout! Thanks a lot!! Sean
09-28-2009 7:56 PM In reply to
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Re: Gravel Glue

How are you ordering it?

09-28-2009 11:05 PM In reply to
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Re: Gravel Glue

Go back to the first page of this thread.  There is a 1-800 phone number.  Ask them for a vendor in your area. 

09-29-2009 6:40 AM In reply to
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Re: Gravel Glue

Optisailorusa:

How are you ordering it?

Hi all,

I must first say, Thanks Tom, for the information about these folks and their products.

I have been corresponding with TINA, a representative of this company.

I 've explained to her that it is my desire to try and use either their Stabilizer or maybe the StaLok All Weather product.

I"ve explained to her, that I want to try and use one of their products, to hold in place, a product in this area called "Hardshell", I want to try and use it, as a scale track ballast, it's made from Calcium Carbonate, it's commonly used as "Chicken Grit", to feed chickens, so's the egg shells are harder.

This stuff looks just like mini "G" Scale Ballast Rock, looks just like and is about the size, "G" scale wise, as the ballast used on the real railroad tracks in this area. White in color.

I've tested this stuff for hardiness' in water....have soaked it in a bowl for days...holds up well...also put some on my layout for a time, and it does not seem to really dissolve in the heavy rains either. Looks like it could be dyed to different colors too....have not tried that, as yet though. 

I Will let everyone know later how this venture turns out, and what is maybe suggested as best to use as a stabilizer, to hold it in place.....We're always experimenting.....Right folks !!!!   

 Byron 

09-29-2009 1:57 PM In reply to
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Re: Gravel Glue

EMPIRE II LINE:
....We're always experimenting.....Right folks !!!!    Byron 

Byron, you are dead on, so long as after (or during) the experiment results, both fair and foul, be shared.  We can all learn for each others success’s and non-success.  I will not use the word fail, as it is a learning process, we learn what works and learn what does not work.

09-30-2009 4:49 AM In reply to
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ttrigg:

Byron, you are dead on, so long as after (or during) the experiment results, both fair and foul, be shared.  We can all learn for each others success’s and non-success.  I will not use the word fail, as it is a learning process, we learn what works and learn what does not work.

Will Do, Tom

Now that the hot season is finally starting to break down here, It cooled down a bit just this past evening, It should be real nice to start getting back outside and do some further testing and cleaning of the mainline. I'll try and keep y'all posted as to how this works out.......

Byron 

03-10-2010 9:58 PM In reply to
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Re: Gravel Glue

Dave: read this

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