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Last post 09-09-2009 3:37 PM by Autobus Prime. 36 replies.
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09-06-2009 1:57 PM In reply to
Offline ham99
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Re: Basement wall prep question

I would never put plastic on the floor and cover it with foam.  Our water table is too high, and in wet seasons it comes through the floor [in the center of the room, not around the edge].  I had to pull up the plastic, clean up the mildew, and go to a removable plastic tile and install a dehumidifier.  After a long soaking rain, I have had to lift the removable snap-together tile and dry the floor with a fan, but that is possible except under the layout legs.  I had some wall problems early on that two coats of Drylox took care of.  I have a Frigidaire dehumidifier [$230] which research said was the quietest model, and it does keep any musty smell away.  I also installed a drop ceiling and it has made a world of difference in the dust level.  Just lift the tile to get to wiring when needed.  The problem with getting advice on the forum is that conditions vary so much around the world.  Check with a local contractor or building supply source.  What is good in Arizona or Southern California may not work in New England.

09-06-2009 4:45 PM In reply to
Offline Robt. Livingston
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Re: Basement wall prep question

 We built our house in 1999, with the basement planned for a workshop and railroad.  Our snap ties were sealed on the exterior of the concrete with silicone sealer, prior to backfilling.  We got  the "damp proof" black stuff, too, but we chose to site the house on a knoll with very good drainage.  We, too, had professional landscapers destroy our carefully graded backfill, so I had to sink an extra drain out there, which solved a minor ponding problem near the foundation. 

The first step in preparing the basement was the radon test.  We built on New England shale (with lots of quartz), with the striations facing upward (visualize a sliced loaf of bread), so we found plenty of radon.  I am not convinced of the epidemiology of the radon issue, but I decided to err on the side of caution. The remediation was a simple hole in on edge of the floor slab, and a suction pipe with a vacuum pump that works 24-7.  The radon tested OK, and as a result, the basement seemed drier.  

Which brings me to the main point: our basement is nice and dry  There are several vertical shrinkage cracks in the concrete walls, most plugged with caulk by the radon crew, but no water is seen anywhere, even during the worst rains.  We have had leaks from upstairs, through the framed walls, but these were repaired when I tracked down the source (kitchen exhaust fan hood inadequately shielded).

I have a dehumidifier that runs all summer, but it never kicks on when the heat is on.  It drains into the central AC condensation tank, which has an automatic pump which lifts the water up and out through a 1" plastic pipe which dumps outside in a flower bed. The hydrangeas love it.  The dehumidifier is by White-Westinghouse and has worked great for 9 years, so far.  The humidity gauge shows no more than 55% humidity, usually 50% in the summer, 25% in the winter. 

I prepped the walls in the layout area by drilling blind holes and inserting lead plugs, then screwing 1x2 nailers on 24" centers.  I fit 1" pink foam slabs between them for a little insulation.  I used horizontal 4x8 sheets of sheet rock horizontally, with nothing on the lower four feet (bare concrete) as my layout is at 50" or above.  I wanted to avoid the local taxman ruling that I had a fully finished basement, which has worked so far.  The ceiling is 1" blue foam board nailed straight to the studs, with cutouts for a few hot water pipes, sewer pipes, etc.   The foam board is very cheap, easy to install, and creates a nice sky effect.  Track lighting was installed under the ceiling, tight against it.  I used crown molding where the sheet rock meets the ceiling;  it fits my idea of how a "room" should look.  There is a corner I could have coved but I just squared it in, normal room style, as there will be Brooklyn buildings there some day. The adjoining wall has three double hung windows which let the sun in during the winter (they face south), so the diorama effect of a coved corner would be lost  with the windows so close.

I'm sure there a few typos here but I have to go "out", sorry.   

 

 

09-06-2009 7:02 PM In reply to
Offline RFinch
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Re: Basement wall prep question

 I would be a little concerned about using the blue foam board as the ceiling in the train room.  I believe building codes require that it be covered with a fire-resistant material such as drywall board when it's used in a wall or ceiling application.  If you're not expecting to have a fire or a visit from a building inspector, it's probably fine to use it uncovered.  However, you may have to be prepared to tear it down when you sell your house before it will pass a building inspection.  You might want to check with your local building code office.

Bob

09-08-2009 6:45 AM In reply to
Offline Robt. Livingston
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Re: Basement wall prep question

Thanks for the tip on the blue foam board.  If I ever sell this house, the whole model railroad (L girders galore) will have to come out!  The ceiling would probably take 20 minutes to pull down. 

09-08-2009 11:45 AM In reply to
Offline Autobus Prime
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Re: Basement wall prep question

Folks:

Another thing to remember about basement ceilings is that they usually have a ton of electrical boxes between the floor joists.  Electrical codes require that these remain accessible without tearing out parts of the structure, which is also nice for future repairs or upgrades.  Nailing foam to the joists doesn't impede access as badly as an all-out drywall job would, but a suspended ceiling would be better, and it would satisfy code. Because the panels can be easily slipped out for access, it doesn't count as removing structure, which is also a nicely practical feature when you want to work on something above it.  

It doesn't have to be spaced very far below the joists, especially if you use the fiberglass tiles. 

09-08-2009 2:02 PM In reply to
Offline Robt. Livingston
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Re: Basement wall prep question

Fortunately I have a good working relationship with the local building inspector/zoning enforcement officer/fire marshall.   

09-09-2009 3:37 PM In reply to
Offline Autobus Prime
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Re: Basement wall prep question

Robt. Livingston:

Fortunately I have a good working relationship with the local building inspector/zoning enforcement officer/fire marshall.   

RL:

This is definitely a Good Thing.

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